Alright **** it im going back on

[KBD]

Im going to run a low dose cycle, for maintenance, cause the OTC products aint workin lol.

So here what im thinkin, you guys have been really cool, and by far this is my favorite forum yet(Not just saying that), you all are cool dudes and really helpful. I dont feel attacked when i ask questions like other places.

Anywho

Test Prop 200mg Week (Im freaked about hair loss)
Deca NPP- 250mg a week

Someone told me M1T doesnt cause hair loss but idk about that.

I also heard that Test+deca regrows hair? Dont ask me where, i dont believe that at all

But anyways my question is, with such low doses do you think ill notice any shedding?

Im using Toco-8 2 scoops a day and Nizoral shampoo every 3 days. (And my hairline is dropping forward)

 

[Movin_weight]

Grab some finasteride if your worried about shedding. It blocks conversion of androgens to dht an will help save the hairline

 

[KBD]

Grab some finasteride if your worried about shedding. It blocks conversion of androgens to dht an will help save the hairline

Yes, but your not suppose to use finasteride with nandrolones. Causes even more shedding.

 

[KBD]

any more opinions?

 

[SolidusSnake]

drop the npp 50mg..

Then you will close to my buddies HRT dose..
Get on HCG if you arent already and low dose aromasin..

 

[KBD]

drop the npp 50mg..

Then you will close to my buddies HRT dose..
Get on HCG if you arent already and low dose aromasin..

Drop NPP 50mg?

Whys that

 

[SolidusSnake]

you shouldnt have a nandrolone higher than your test..

 

[KBD]

you shouldnt have a nandrolone higher than your test..

Lol this again?

Dude, Nandrolones cannot suppress exogenous test. So in reality one would be fine with 150mg of test and 500mg of deca with some caber on hand.

The reason deca gives the "Deca-****" is because of prolactin, not because of the suppressing of exogenous test. Doesnt happen .

And personally, i believe deca-d*ck is a mental thing in ALOT of people.

They hear stories of it, then they run it and think they have it. And we all know how much the mind can f*ck us over.

 

[SolidusSnake]

Lol this again?

Dude, Nandrolones cannot suppress exogenous test. So in reality one would be fine with 150mg of test and 500mg of deca with some caber on hand.

The reason deca gives the "Deca-****" is because of prolactin, not because of the suppressing of exogenous test. Doesnt happen .

And personally, i believe deca-d*ck is a mental thing in ALOT of people.

They hear stories of it, then they run it and think they have it. And we all know how much the mind can f*ck us over.

Oh if you have caber your fine then..
But the reason why heightened test levels over power prolactin is via heightened DHT levels.. Which iin turn, lower prolactin and raise libido..

 

[waynaferd]

Only deca-*** I have experienced is soreness from all the extra use LOL.

 

[Harry Manback]

Lol this again?

Dude, Nandrolones cannot suppress exogenous test. So in reality one would be fine with 150mg of test and 500mg of deca with some caber on hand.

The reason deca gives the "Deca-****" is because of prolactin, not because of the suppressing of exogenous test. Doesnt happen .

And personally, i believe deca-d*ck is a mental thing in ALOT of people.

They hear stories of it, then they run it and think they have it. And we all know how much the mind can f*ck us over.

Nothing cialis can't handle.

I have MBP in my family and over the years have noticed shedding on various AAS's. Nizoral seems to help. Toco-8 seems to be a good product (and trust me, I do not pimp any company, in fact I dislike supplements in the first place.) If it wasn't so high priced and continuous, I'd be on it myself. Anyhow, this past year I ran a cycle of 700/700 prop/NPP. The shedding was negligible. This is me personally, but I don't think you have much to worry about. Tren ace did a little more damage to my hairline. But believe it or not, Promagnon did the worst damage to my hair back in the day. I would literally run my hand thru my hair and 20-30 hairs would fall out...yikes!

 

[WetWorks]

hair loss is genetic. AAS can speed it up, but its mainly the DHT's.

 

[B5150]

saw palmetto can keep DHT sides to a minimum.

 

[KBD]

Nothing cialis can't handle.

I have MBP in my family and over the years have noticed shedding on various AAS's. Nizoral seems to help. Toco-8 seems to be a good product (and trust me, I do not pimp any company, in fact I dislike supplements in the first place.) If it wasn't so high priced and continuous, I'd be on it myself. Anyhow, this past year I ran a cycle of 700/700 prop/NPP. The shedding was negligible. This is me personally, but I don't think you have much to worry about. Tren ace did a little more damage to my hairline. But believe it or not, Promagnon did the worst damage to my hair back in the day. I would literally run my hand thru my hair and 20-30 hairs would fall out...yikes!

700mg of prop and 700mg of PP huh

Well i plan to run MUCH lower than that, 200mg of test and 300-400mg of NPP/Deca

With the toco-8 and nizoral and i might run some saw palmetto

saw palmetto can keep DHT sides to a minimum.

well i hear that deca is fairly mild on the hair

So if i run a low dose of test with a decent dose of nandrolone i expect i dont have to worry about hair loss.

 

[GeekPoop]

Only deca-*** I have experienced is soreness from all the extra use LOL.

i had a little bit of problems coming off of tren, was nothing seroius. turned more into a mental issue, maybe it was a mental issue cuz all the horror stories?

hair loss is genetic. AAS can speed it up, but its mainly the DHT's.

im balding at 23 ; / i shave my head now

Nothing cialis can't handle.
I have MBP in my family and over the years have noticed shedding on various AAS's. Nizoral seems to help. Toco-8 seems to be a good product (and trust me, I do not pimp any company, in fact I dislike supplements in the first place.) If it wasn't so high priced and continuous, I'd be on it myself. Anyhow, this past year I ran a cycle of 700/700 prop/NPP. The shedding was negligible. This is me personally, but I don't think you have much to worry about. Tren ace did a little more damage to my hairline. But believe it or not, Promagnon did the worst damage to my hair back in the day. I would literally run my hand thru my hair and 20-30 hairs would fall out...yikes!

yeah get soem cialis or viagra shouldnt have anything to worry about, stuff is awesome

 

[KBD]

i had a little bit of problems coming off of tren, was nothing seroius. turned more into a mental issue, maybe it was a mental issue cuz all the horror stories?


im balding at 23 ; / i shave my head now


yeah get soem cialis or viagra shouldnt have anything to worry about, stuff is awesome

I think deca has the best anabolic effects with the least side effects

But if nandrolone is easy on the hair then i guess ill give it a go, and the reason im using NPP is because of its short ester, so if I DO however start shedding then it will be out of my system quicker.

 

[GeekPoop]

I think deca has the best anabolic effects with the least side effects

But if nandrolone is easy on the hair then i guess ill give it a go, and the reason im using NPP is because of its short ester, so if I DO however start shedding then it will be out of my system quicker.

ya smart thining w/ the NPP, than youll know what it does to your hair if anything. :yup:

 

[SolidusSnake]

You wont shed on NPP or nan dec.... Or 200mg test..
I would raise to 250mg test to make things even steven.
Take some p5p everyday as well, cheap and effective.. will raise dopamine..

 

[kyran]

yes be careful with the P5P though, I have read that high doses for a long period of time can lead to the damaging of the basal ganglia in your brain.

 

[KBD]

yes be careful with the P5P though, I have read that high doses for a long period of time can lead to the damaging of the basal ganglia in your brain.

Pardon my ignorance but whats p5p?

 

[jbryand101b]

your going to go bald. i can already see it.

 

[KBD]

your going to go bald. i can already see it.

Noone in my family is bald, just receded hairlines.

And if i have to run deca by itself to prevent hair loss then so ****in be it.

 

[WetWorks]

Noone in my family is bald, just receded hairlines.

And if i have to run deca by itself to prevent hair loss then so ****in be it.

Test and other Androgenics aromatize the most. Anabolics like Deca build the most muscle with the least sides.

 

[KBD]

Test and other Androgenics aromatize the most. Anabolics like Deca build the most muscle with the least sides.

Deca gets you really big for some reason lol, all my buddies who run nandrolone really get a drastic change within 7-8 weeks.

 

[kyran]

P5P is a specific form of the B6 vitamin.

 

[Jasen]

hey deca is known for imporving joints, i might run DECA at a very low dose for my joints with my next cycle, my question anyone here ntoice any benefits joint wise from deca?

 

[Harry Manback]

Joint benefits were mostly noted once I pulled the NPP from my test, meaning I could feel the joints ache a bit more.

 

[CCV3]

The prop is a nice cruising level.
I would drop the deca, but that's a biased opinion just because I don't like it, at all.
Roll with a low dose of var instead. A little GH (2-3IU) never hurts either.

Propecia has always worked for me.

 

[WetWorks]

Deca gets you really big for some reason lol, all my buddies who run nandrolone really get a drastic change within 7-8 weeks.

the reason is cause Deca, Tren, EQ, and NPP are all Anabolics. Anabolics builds more muscle than Androgenics or DHT's.

 

[KBD]

the reason is cause Deca, Tren, EQ, and NPP are all Anabolics. Anabolics builds more muscle than Androgenics or DHT's.

Well EQ doesnt do **** for mass, and tren didnt build any muscle on me. I just got really hard and vascular.

But my father blew the **** up on deca.

And i see tren more as an androgen than a anabolic even though it is very anabolic, so is halotestin due to it being more anabolic than test it still doesnt build anywhere near as much mass.

 

[Harry Manback]

The AAS works in mysterious ways.

 

[WetWorks]

Well EQ doesnt do **** for mass, and tren didnt build any muscle on me. I just got really hard and vascular.

But my father blew the **** up on deca.

And i see tren more as an androgen than a anabolic even though it is very anabolic, so is halotestin due to it being more anabolic than test it still doesnt build anywhere near as much mass.

you got fake EQ and Tren than. my .02

 

[CCV3]

For me...
EQ packed on real size.
Tren sculpted me really well.
Deca just turned me into a human water balloon and gave me stretch marks. F that sh...

 

[neverstop]

Tren was amazing, i put on crazy weight and got lean at the same time. I think it has some synergy with the increased IGF tren causes it's called the "roid of the gods" for a reason. If you didn't get big and jacked on tren I would say it's not impossible you got some weak or bunk stuff.

looks good though, I would add a little finasteride if you're worried about prostate and hair, doesn't take much though so start low, I'd also add some HCG at least twice a week if you ever want to come off again. HCG is cheap and easy so I always include it when it can be found.

 

[KBD]

you got fake EQ and Tren than. my .02

No it was real tren, because my father was taking the same **** and he was getting amazing results.

Everyone is different, EQ didnt give me any size, but it made me extremely hungry and i got some good strength gains on it.

Tren made very vascular and it burned fat off me, i could tell it was legit because of my excessive night sweats.

 

[jbryand101b]

the reason is cause Deca, Tren, EQ, and NPP are all Anabolics. Anabolics builds more muscle than Androgenics or DHT's.

i dont know who told you this, but all those compounds u listed, are all androgens.

with a post like this, you shouldn't even be thinking about anabolic/androgenic steroids, let alone using them.

 

[KBD]

i dont know who told you this, but all those compounds u listed, are all androgens.

with a post like this, you shouldn't even be thinking about anabolic/androgenic steroids, let alone using them.

Maybe he ment some are just more androgenic than others lol. Idk :afro:

 

[WetWorks]

i dont know who told you this, but all those compounds u listed, are all androgens.

with a post like this, you shouldn't even be thinking about anabolic/androgenic steroids, let alone using them.

:rofl: where did you get your info?

 

[jbryand101b]

Maybe he ment some are just more androgenic than others lol. Idk :afro:

tried to give him a chance to redeem himself, but he blew it with this comment. --v

:rofl: where did you get your info?

:goodpost: too bad. "anabolics build more muscle than androgenics & dht's", I think this is the best part. I should put it in my signature. it's hilareous. :sigh1:

 

[Liftingstud]

i have been on 800mg test and 600mg deca for 18wks and have not had any issue with shedding... i have started to thin some but this did nothing to add to it. added 26.5lbs of fairly lean muscle due to the fact i went from about 9% to 11.25%bf and have 2 wks left before pct... def a happy camper!

 

[WetWorks]

tried to give him a chance to redeem himself, but he blew it with this comment. --v



:goodpost: too bad. "anabolics build more muscle than androgenics & dht's", I think this is the best part. I should put it in my signature. it's hilareous. :sigh1:

redeem myself for what? from your stats I can tell you know what your talking about. NOT !

 

[Harry Manback]

Tren has a 500/500 rating, how is that not androgenic?

 

[KBD]

Tren has a 500/500 rating, how is that not androgenic?

Tren Halo and Cheque Drops are the most androgenic AAS.

But the cons outweigh the pros in tren, the sides are just not worth it for what you get from it.

IMO Dbol crushes tren strength and size wise.

But dbol killed my hair... ashame id like to run it again.

 

[WetWorks]

Anabolics aromatize very little. Tren, Deca, EQ, NPP and any I may have forgot.

Androgenics armomatze a lot. Test, Dbol, Adrol, and so on.

DHT's don't aromatize. Primo, Mast, Anavar, Winny, and Proviron.

 

[KBD]

Anabolics aromatize very little. Tren, Deca, EQ, NPP and any I may have forgot.

Androgenics armomatze a lot. Test, Dbol, Adrol, and so on.

DHT's don't aromatize. Primo, Mast, Anavar, Winny, and Proviron.

Dude why are you separating the terms "anabolic" and "androgenic" when a steroid is BOTH.

You cant separate anabolic and androgenic especially from tren, that goes for any steroid.

You can however classify that one substance is MORE ANABOLIC or MORE ANDROGENIC than another.

But that fact of the matter is, is that they are all Anabolic and Androgenic, hence the name AAS.

Where u getting ur info? lol

As far as i know the Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio of Dbol is 90-210:40-60

Making dbol more androgenic than anabolic.

 

[WetWorks]

if they lean more to one end or the other is how they work. you can't go on the numbers, cause they don't work like that. just like the Dbol you just used says its more Anabolic, but it acts more Androgenic; most is water weight cause you lose most of what you gained when you stop taking it.

 

[jbryand101b]

redeem myself for what? from your stats I can tell you know what your talking about. NOT !

lmao, okay, my reputation (and im not talkin rep points) preceeds itself here and many other places, I have no need to try to justify whether I know what im talking about.

How many supplement companies have asked you to do steroid profile write ups for them?

Anabolics aromatize very little. Tren, Deca, EQ, NPP and any I may have forgot.


Androgenics armomatze a lot. Test, Dbol, Adrol, and so on.

DHT's don't aromatize. Primo, Mast, Anavar, Winny, and Proviron.

oh my god, this guy is the dummest person i've ever seen. he obviously has access to the internet, and cant even google the right info. here, let me help you bro.

Androgenic: The onset of secondary male characteristics such as:
a deepened voice, body and facial hair growth, increased oil output by the sebaceous glands, development of sexual organs, maturation of sperm, and an increased libido. All such effects are considered the masculinizing or "androgenic" properties of this hormone.

Anabolic: Refering to growth promoting or"anabolic" changes in the body, including an enhanced rate of protein synthesis (leading to muscle accumulation)

dht is dihydrotestosterone. it is made when testosterone becomes 5 alpha reduced via the 5a reductase enzyme.

you have three types of androgenic/anabolic hormones. testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, and nor testosterone.

these three make up the "base" of all the steroids you will ever see. the structure of the steroid is what causes it to be called an androgen, and is why it binds to the androgen receptor primarily.

whether a steroid is aromatizable, or non aromatizable has nothing to do with how anabolic, or androgenic it is. it's just an aromatizable steroid (convertable to estrogen) or non aromatizable steroid (un able to convert to estrogen)

5a reduced steroids (dht & dht derivatives) are incapable of aromatizing into estrogen.

there, thats enough schooling for today, please, dont post again until you get information from quality resources. better read up before you try to come at me again.

talking about my stats lmao, at least im not a dumb azz.

and yes, I negged you for your comment, I hope more will do the same for those riduculous comments.
:spank:

 

[jbryand101b]

Dude why are you separating the terms "anabolic" and "androgenic" when a steroid is BOTH.

You cant separate anabolic and androgenic especially from tren, that goes for any steroid.

You can however classify that one substance is MORE ANABOLIC or MORE ANDROGENIC than another.

But that fact of the matter is, is that they are all Anabolic and Androgenic, hence the name AAS.

Where u getting ur info? lol

As far as i know the Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio of Dbol is 90-210:40-60

Making dbol more androgenic than anabolic.

this is mostly right, except I think you ment dbol's androgenic is 40-60, and it's anabolic rating is 90-210.

Androgenic 40-60
Anabolic 90-210
Standard Methyltestosterone (oral)
Chemical Names 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-l,4-androstadien-3-one
l-Dehydro-17a-methyltestosterone
Estrogenic Activity moderate
Progestational Activity not significant

I have a copy of both vida's androgens and anabolics, as well as Anabolics 09 if you ever want some steroid info bro.

dianabol is a derviative of testosterone. it is methylated boldenone. when dianabol becomes 5a reduced, it becomes a dht derivative, known as methyl 1-testosterone. or (17a-1-dht)

 

[KBD]

if they lean more to one end or the other is how they work. you can't go on the numbers, cause they don't work like that. just like the Dbol you just used says its more Anabolic, but it acts more Androgenic; most is water weight cause you lose most of what you gained when you stop taking it.

Dude u need to do more research... fast.

 

[HereToStudy]

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