Patrick Arnold's Monsterdrol Findings

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by SolidusSnake View Post
    Not really bra, actually about the same BF% as you.
    I am going to leave this thread now, too many naive people in here.

    mod edit: you can either stop the insults and keep the thread open, or not and have it closed. Cause you know we have to keep up our reputation for being some corrupt mofo's over here. We're useless too.

    No you dont. Thats a lie. Your bf% is not the same as his. Period.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by ironman2388 View Post
    15lbs in 11 days? Come on, is that a joke? Logs aren't worth the charmin extra soft I just wiped my ass with. People exaggerate, get swept up in a wave of placebo, etc. You are also a rep for this product, creating bias, which makes your input worthless.
    I have done about that when I once ran SD and started at 30mg, lol. It was crazy, I was thirsty 24/7.

    Anyway, you can talk to 2k1s if you want. Or any of the other loggers. The scale doesn't lie. If you question the weight, you are calling all of the loggers liars. I don't believe that you have truly convinced yourself that everybody logging the product has lied through their teeth day after day. And then tell AM that we're brainwashed...

    I may be a company rep, but i am not a liar, or a shill, and my input is far from worthless... I don't have to defend myself here, everybody knows me.

    Quote Originally Posted by notanymore View Post
    Was thinking along those lines unreal. Can't make gains that fast off of pepper extract. I'm on day 5 or 6 about 4-5 lbs. 1 or 2 could be due to water retention since I'd transitioned off of keto diet a couple days after Thanksgiving. Blood pressure spike noticeable by testing as well as the warm feeling of the face (along with redness at times) coupled with some back pumps. Going to continue running it through at least a couple more weeks unless something doesn't feel right between now and then.
    Thank you for posting your feedback

    All the feedback I have seen, people are making gains. I hope you get a good cycle out of it

    Quote Originally Posted by biggfly View Post
    My issue isnt IF there is something in there thats hormonal, my issue with the company now lies in the fact that what IS in there, is NOT what is advertised. I personally prefer to know what I am consuming, results or not. Theres an obligation to be accurate in the ingredients listings, whether 75% of the users understand or even comprehend any of it, it is still an obligation, esp to those of us who do. I mean example: I dont want to buy a Red Bull thinking my boost is from sugar, caffeine, etc but ultimately its laced with amphetamines. Yes I got the "results" it advertises(WINGS) but it is not from what I think I am getting it from. Unethical business practice.
    I agree with you 100%. Whatever you buy should have what's on the label. Nate came out and apologized to everyone because MDXT was made by a different manufacturer than usual and they were supposed to test what they manufactured but apparently they didn't. He offered everyone a refund who wanted one. I don't know what else he is supposed to do at this point...

    I am still waiting on more testing results though. The tests that have been done so far do not much up with any of the user feedback.
    I am not trying to discredit Zamaman because I've seen him around a lot and I trust him but it is true that PA testing a few capsules doesn't follow the COA.
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  3. well, I wish I had lots of money.

  4. The other thing that stands out to me is the former reps etc of NTBM and Nate. I have seen other reps from other companies leave one for another or just decide to step down from being a rep altogether. Yet the ones who leave NTBM have a discerning, and powerful distaste for the man himself and his ways. This to me sends up a red flag about him. I am not going to be convinced that simply by not being reps, these guys are going to be this bitter and have this amount of animosity without some merit or warrant.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by biggfly View Post
    No you dont. Thats a lie. Your bf% is not the same as his. Period.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by biggfly View Post
    The other thing that stands out to me is the former reps etc of NTBM and Nate. I have seen other reps from other companies leave one for another or just decide to step down from being a rep altogether. Yet the ones who leave NTBM have a discerning, and powerful distaste for the man himself and his ways. This to me sends up a red flag about him. I am not going to be convinced that simply by not being reps, these guys are going to be this bitter and have this amount of animosity without some merit or warrant.
    Actually, some of them have been reps for 3-4 different companies on here and usually leave with their usual gusto. See trying to hide through web proxies is sort of futile. One guy was banned 5 different times but he's a good "bro"


    Hopefully Nate will send me more money so I can erase this. Its Xmas time and I need the money.

    Wait, weren't we against Nate a month ago? Man, even I'm confused now.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by biggfly View Post
    No you dont. Thats a lie. Your bf% is not the same as his. Period.
    Actually I know him in real life- lolz his bf is very very low, now look, i dont know wtf is in mdxt but DAMNIT SOMEONE SEND ME A BOTTLE AND I WILL FOCKING EAT IT IM COMPETEING WITH IRON LIVER JASON!!!!



    but fo realz i will run that **** send it my way
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    well, I wish I had lots of money.
    Yeah, then you wouldn't have to rep for $150 in supps a month to agree with nate then find yourself not liking him now. You would avoid a lot of this stuff.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    I have done about that when I once ran SD and started at 30mg, lol. It was crazy, I was thirsty 24/7.

    Anyway, you can talk to 2k1s if you want. Or any of the other loggers. The scale doesn't lie. If you question the weight, you are calling all of the loggers liars. I don't believe that you have truly convinced yourself that everybody logging the product has lied through their teeth day after day. And then tell AM that we're brainwashed...

    I may be a company rep, but i am not a liar, or a shill, and my input is far from worthless... I don't have to defend myself here, everybody knows me
    You see that's the problem. People hear the same tales of amazing gains over and over again, and they become convinced that the stories are true. Supp reps now just use the guise of being cool, helpful, and polite when in reality they are just spaming misinformation to increase their sales. If you weren't a NTBM rep you wouldn't be making these posts. It's clear and obvious that it's purely advertising. Sure it works on the majority, but that doesn't make it right. Especially when the product in question is a complete mystery, best case. You said yourself you don't know about these tests and what might be in the product. Yet you still support it's use without knowing safety.

  10. [QUOTE=ironman2388;2673206]You see that's the problem. People hear the same tales of amazing gains over and over again, and they become convinced that the stories are true. Supp reps now just use the guise of being cool, helpful, and polite when in reality they are just spaming misinformation to increase their sales. If you weren't a NTBM rep you wouldn't be making these posts. It's clear and obvious that it's purely advertising. Sure it works on the majority, but that doesn't make it right. Especially when the product in question is a complete mystery, best case. You said yourself you don't know about these tests and what might be in the product. Yet you still support it's use without knowing safety.[/QUOTE]

    Very valid point in this statement.

  11. IMO, sure there are logs that show gains, but as we all know when your cycling you tend to beef up your diet and get a little more strict with it, take more supps, and generally train harder goin off placebo effect. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with that, but take that into consideration when seeing gains. Hell in two weeks I've upped 6 lbs just by changing my diet.

    Now, as far as, 'something horomonal in it' I've heard this statement before. Here is the problem, I wouldnt take **** from anyone if they said.. here you go broski, here are some pills, dont know whats in it, but something horomonal is in it, you will see gains, and do a complete pct after.

    I mean really, who would take random product, with knowledge beforehand that the product has unknown ingredients, and none of the ingredients it is supposed to have. Thats the issue I have with the product, too many uncertanties, and absolutely ZERO lab tests confirming the products legitimacy.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by ironman2388 View Post
    You see that's the problem. People hear the same tales of amazing gains over and over again, and they become convinced that the stories are true. Supp reps now just use the guise of being cool, helpful, and polite when in reality they are just spaming misinformation to increase their sales. If you weren't a NTBM rep you wouldn't be making these posts. It's clear and obvious that it's purely advertising. Sure it works on the majority, but that doesn't make it right. Especially when the product in question is a complete mystery, best case. You said yourself you don't know about these tests and what might be in the product. Yet you still support it's use without knowing safety.
    You are calling the logs "tales" like they are stories, or fables. A guy just posted his results a few posts back, but obviously, it is some tall tale and nothing more

    I am not spamming misinformation

    If i weren't a NTBM rep I would probably still be posting this stuff because I bought MDXT and so I have been following it closely and looking for as much information as I could find. User feedback, all of which has been positive...

    It is true that I am unsure of the tests. But I have merely pointed out that everyone who has posted feedback has posted positive feedback, and that I will run MDXT as my next cycle. If that constitutes supporting its use then I'm guilty but I am not telling people to run it...
    If you want to run it, go for it. If you have any concerns whatsoever, then you can wait, or get a full refund. The choice is up to other people not me. I am not encouraging people to do anything dangerous, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pipes View Post
    IMO, sure there are logs that show gains, but as we all know when your cycling you tend to beef up your diet and get a little more strict with it, take more supps, and generally train harder goin off placebo effect. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with that, but take that into consideration when seeing gains. Hell in two weeks I've upped 6 lbs just by changing my diet.

    Now, as far as, 'something horomonal in it' I've heard this statement before. Here is the problem, I wouldnt take **** from anyone if they said.. here you go broski, here are some pills, dont know whats in it, but something horomonal is in it, you will see gains, and do a complete pct after.

    I mean really, who would take random product, with knowledge beforehand that the product has unknown ingredients, and none of the ingredients it is supposed to have. Thats the issue I have with the product, too many uncertanties, and absolutely ZERO lab tests confirming the products legitimacy.
    Hey i agree you make some good points, anyone should be wary of ingesting anything with an unknown factor. For me personally it's a risk I'm willing to take. I think all the gear from overseas I've used, and the research chems and peptides produced who-knows-where, constituted bigger sources of concern for me. So I am still planning on running this as my next cycle.

    6 pounds in 2 weeks natty yea I believe it. But 10 pounds in 2 weeks, 10 pounds in 1 week, 11 pounds in 2 weeks... probably not placebo effect. Backpumps, thirst, hunger, acne, also placebo? Probably not... Bigtime strength gains?
    Probably not placebo.
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  13. I think the jist of it is soo many members see or read a rep take the product then they haphazardly dive in with little to no research, because hey, if the rep takes it, its gotta be good or safe, sort of thing. I dont think anyone thinks you are directly saying to posters or readers to dive right in, its all good. But by still supporting the product, in its current state of quandry and controversy, it is in a round about way endorsing the use of it as well, to newbies especially. But I dont think in any way you are carelessly telling people to have at it, regardless what it contains.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    I agree with you 100%. Whatever you buy should have what's on the label. Nate came out and apologized to everyone because MDXT was made by a different manufacturer than usual and they were supposed to test what they manufactured but apparently they didn't. He offered everyone a refund who wanted one. I don't know what else he is supposed to do at this point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by needtogetmuscle
    Weather the test was done right,wrong, or indifferent does matter!, But at the same time it still raises enough questions in my mind to want to look into it further. It raises enough questions to where more looking into must be done,more questions need to be asked, and this should not be dismissed by my self, as I know some of you feel the same.
    12/7/10:

    Quote Originally Posted by needtogetaas
    No Advertising/press Is bad Advertising/press.. I got people coming out of the wood work asking me to bring that product back. I have half the people who got some begging for more. I am willing to bet if I put the product back on the market I would have trouble keeping it in stock..
    Unreal, for starters, how about Nathan proclaims an apology with substance that is void of crowd appeasing fluff. I really don't understand how he can be apologetic and genuinely concerned in one thread, then arrogant and careless in another.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    Well, I can't argue with the test results, but if anyone has been reading the logs, there has to be something hormonal in there. Everybody running a log (and even those not running logs... everyone who's posted their feedback on MDXT that I have seen) has made gains that couldn't be accomplished naturally.

    First, on AM, you have
    merdock1983, who gained 16 pounds
    pilip99, who gained 10 pounds in the first 2 weeks before bridging to Epi on the third
    reecew, who gained 12.5 lbs (not bad for 5'4")
    2k1s, who gained 15 pounds in the first 11 days alone
    mazeman, who somehow gained no weight, but gained 20% on core lifts during week 3 alone and got his bottle refunded because he wasn't fully satisfied
    On the NTBM forums I have seen at least 2 guys making gains but don't think I can link there.
    On EF forums there's a log by Ozzie87 who has gained 11 pounds in the first 16 days

    And then there's been some random posts I've stumbled upon where I have seen a couple people making good gains and one person saying his buddy is making good gains but I spend so much time on so many forums I can't remember where I saw it.


    So, i don't know what's up with the testing results, I really don't. Maybe there is still an issue with the testing. Maybe a very small % of the bottles are indeed bunk in some way (and you should go get a full refund from Nate). But there are so many logs showing fantastic gains, and so many people getting results, that I think you would have to be delusional to believe that every bottle of MDXT contains nothing hormonal in it.

    I still have my 2 bottles and they're going to be my next cycle... and honestly I'm not too worried about it.

    So to people reading, you can hop on the bandwagon "MDXT is teh bunkz and every log are lies by evil undercover NTBM reps" *or* you could have a rational look at the user feedback that is available to us.

    I look forward to seeing more user feedback posted.
    What logs were sponsored?
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  16. Hoopem, if Nate turned out to be Mother Theresa, you would still hate him/her.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by J2jud View Post
    What logs were sponsored?
    Don't think there were any sponsored logs j2jud.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius View Post
    Hoopem, if Nate turned out to be Mother Theresa, you would still hate him/her.
    But he still makes a valid point, regardless

  19. Quote Originally Posted by J2jud View Post
    What logs were sponsored?
    Well, they do work for the companies..... gotta protect their money flow.
    Yeah, thats it. Seriously, coming from someone who works as a rep for a few supps a month, that takes the cake.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by biggfly View Post
    But he still makes a valid point, regardless
    To you, not to me. I could care less if a guy apologizes or what his attitude is. If he will refund my money, thats all I care about and I won't buy from him again. Case closed. The choice is yours...
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by notanymore View Post
    Don't think there were any sponsored logs j2jud.
    I'm quite sure there were some free products given for logging purposes. I could be wrong though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius View Post
    Yeah, thats it. Seriously, coming from someone who works as a rep for a few supps a month, that takes the cake.
    O'Rly? I don't work for free supps. I do work for them and am compensated quite nicely... and can request product if I need it. Does that take the cake?
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius View Post
    To you, not to me. I could care less if a guy apologizes or what his attitude is. If he will refund my money, thats all I care about and I won't buy from him again. Case closed. The choice is yours...
    True, this is my sentiment exactly.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by J2jud View Post
    I'm quite sure there were some free products given for logging purposes. I could be wrong though.



    O'Rly? I don't work for free supps. I do work for them and am compensated quite nicely... and can request product if I need it. Does that take the cake?
    Then if you think thats how we operate then Custom Capsule can leave and whatever company they are affiliated and get the **** off AM. I don't need your ****ing money when their reps pop off at the mouth about issues they know nothing about. Go email Jesse that.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius View Post
    Hoopem, if Nate turned out to be Mother Theresa, you would still hate him/her.
    Nah, my opinions are not unfounded. If Mother Teresa made the world believe he/she was a saint, but was really out to make a quick buck at another's expense then I would still be posing the same questions.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Nah, my opinions are not unfounded. If Mother Teresa made the world believe he/she was a saint, but was really out to make a quick buck at another's expense then I would still be posing the same questions.
    Yeah, he's giving a refund and acting nice to sell more of a discontinued product. Makes perfect sense now.
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