started a Havoc pulse...

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  1. started a Havoc pulse...


    Got a couple bottles, decided to pop a few pre WO last friday and again today. I also have a decent stash of other stuff (tren, SD, Pplex) but i am going to leave those in the freezer in the black bag for a while.

    Heres how things look.

    MWF (so far, think I am goin to mess with the days)
    30/30/30 All pre WO, 20 1.5hr pre, 10 15min pre
    30/40/40 30 pre WO, 1 post WO
    40/40/40 "" ""
    40/40/50 30 pre 1.5 hr, 10 pre 5min, 10 post on the 50mg day
    On days support
    Supress C, Vit C, Cissus, Titanium(1cap), 6000 IU Vit D, 7g fish oil, 4g CLA, Toco 8, Liv.52.

    Off days, ALL above,Milk thistle, + 9G CEE/Creatine diMalate mix, 1 cap ERASE, 2 cap redefine nutrition PCT (its like cycle assit and AI/T booster good stuff)

    Other supps: Bev Intl Lean out, Caffine, Carnitine, Fruit/veg based multi vit.

    Going to play around with the days of the wk. Cycle will only last 6-7wks and will most likely touch 50mg but we will see. Ive ran quite a bit of stuff in the past and need a decent dose. about 191lb now. Ive read pretty much the entire Dr D thread.

    One reason why im dosing so much pre WO is because I cant sleep for sh!t. Next, I get such a good pump taking any supp/PH/etc pre WO. Idk why, but my body seems to react well so thats what i am going to stick with.
    DHEA will be soon in there along with tribulus, ZMA. PCT will prolly be OTC stuff, dont think il need SERM but i do have clomid so im safe if problems arise.


  2. I have an old bottle of havoc in my cabinet. I may have to break it out.
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  3. I pulsed epi as well, I would get up to 50-60mg as quick as possible, I saw no gains till 50mg

  4. Really? Well maybe I'll go to 40 this wk and 50 the next.

    I run h drol @125 mg and sd @ 20 etc. So maybe I have a decent tolerance

    Also the fish oil is more like 8gs a day and 5gs CLA

  5. I guess just depends on how you feel, but since your pulsing don't be afraid to take that dose up, if I pulse again I would go as high as I could, only side I had was slight headaches around dosing from the blood presure, bloodwork came back good too
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  6. Dr. D had advised against milk thistle for ON days with a pulse. I am doing a havoc pulse now too. I agree 50 is where it is at!
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  7. i thought the purpose (one of them anyways) of a pulse cycle was light pct if any and light support supps....i also read somewhere that the support supps should be taken on "off" days....no link though, and im sure someone will be by to clear this up..

    i pulsed one bottle of epi and never went over 40mg three days a week and saw wonderful gains in strength...so i would just follow your dosing regimen that you have outlined until you find what your body needs....

  8. Quote Originally Posted by maddbomber View Post
    i thought the purpose (one of them anyways) of a pulse cycle was light pct if any and light support supps....i also read somewhere that the support supps should be taken on "off" days....no link though, and im sure someone will be by to clear this up..

    i pulsed one bottle of epi and never went over 40mg three days a week and saw wonderful gains in strength...so i would just follow your dosing regimen that you have outlined until you find what your body needs....
    On the "how to pulse orals" thread dr d does say liver support supps on off days because they can interfere with the absorption of the compound....madbomber has a point, go to the does that you feel is working for you, if you respond awesome at 20-30mg/day no reason to go higher

  9. Pulsing is a terrible idea. A roller coaster ride for your endocrine system. Run it properly.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by ironman2388 View Post
    Pulsing is a terrible idea. A roller coaster ride for your endocrine system. Run it properly.
    You are entitled to your opinion, but there are reasons to running a pulse

    Me personally, my bloodwork came back after my 6 week pulse with NO negative changes in liver and lipids...how many people can running a methyl and not have those 2 change. Gained about 6-7 pounds too and kept it. I did not care about the fluctuating hormones.

    If most people, not all, had bloods done after a 4-6 week methyl cycle these values could be crushed. I'm an advocate of heart health above anything else, and that includes shutdown or liver stress. I rather have liver enzymes tripled rather than HDL in single digits for possibly months.

    I pulsed to limit sides, and I will do it again. Probably sdrol, dbol, and maybe even boladrol since that MAY have a short half life as well.

  11. Why not just use test? Or at least have a test base with every cycle.

  12. are we talking about rpn havoc? im about to order some.

  13. Gymrat .. Gluck .. I'm in for results

    Epi/havoc is a great compound to pulse

  14. Quote Originally Posted by ironman2388 View Post
    Pulsing is a terrible idea. A roller coaster ride for your endocrine system. Run it properly.
    to each his own...worked for me

  15. Quote Originally Posted by GQNemesis View Post
    Gymrat .. Gluck .. I'm in for results

    Epi/havoc is a great compound to pulse
    Thanx,




    As for the Milk thistle, I only take about 90mg of milk thistle on ON days. Its in the redefine PCT product (only take 1 cap on ON days) . I take the Liver52 on ON days, no milk thistle in it.

  16. Pulsing works!!! Im an old school juicer. Been on and off gear for 15+ yrs now. Mostly injectables with an oral. After reading Dr. D's thread I decided to give it a try alongside my test e.. I was

  17. amazed at how well it worked and how much better I felt. Less back pumps, less lethargy, less negative things all together, plus I ran it longer without worry of hurting my liver. I had blood wrk 6

  18. wks after my cycle ended and my liver and good cholesterol levels were fine. That along with killer gains was proof enough for me. While I dont pulse to minimize shut down, I will continue to pulse

  19. based off the great results I had with it. BTW I pulsed RPN HAVOC and CEL MDROL.. Happy pulsing brothers!!! It works plain and simple

  20. Took 20g Hydrowhey pro, 100mg caffine, 30mg havoc, 3g fish oil, pre WO....Great f-ing pumps. Love this stuff.


    Prolly my favorite PH/AAS ive tried(been threw a lot too).

  21. Very interesting thread. May replace my prev winter cycle idea...

    I dont know there's any supplementation topic more debated than the legitimicy and effectiveness of pulsing. Wow. Some peeps say its their fav, all they'll do, others say it is a horrible idea, no 2 ways about it. Wow!

    So, if one were to do this, say a 6-8 wk pulse, M, W, F of Havoc. 30-40 mg's a day, what would be best taken on the 'on' days?

    I assume multi vit, fish oil, joint supp, taurine (if needed), vit C, Liv 52, are all fine to take on 'on' days, as well as off? What are peeps thoughts on taking creatine during this? Would it be best on and off days or just one or the other? What about a natty test booster?

  22. Nice keep it up bro .. Also u using prima or rpn ?

    My bad if the answer have been posted

  23. On the "on" days I only take erase for T and cort control. Off days I take titanium and redefine PCT so it keeps you balanced on the off days and creatine

  24. Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    On the "on" days I only take erase for T and cort control. Off days I take titanium and redefine PCT so it keeps you balanced on the off days and creatine
    Creatine through a whole pulse cycle? Or just off days (Im assuming whole since it should be loaded or at a minimum steady.)

    So weird, I can remember peeps saying not long ago, save creatine for PCT, plus it would contribute to pumps too much. Now (not just you gymrat...) peeps are saying take it during cycle to get as much fromt he cycle as possible.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by ironman2388 View Post
    Pulsing is a terrible idea. A roller coaster ride for your endocrine system. Run it properly.
    spoken like someone who has never tried it

    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Dr. D had advised against milk thistle for ON days with a pulse. I am doing a havoc pulse now too. I agree 50 is where it is at!
    I agree with 50 being a decent dose for a havoc pulse

    when i pulsed epi back in the day I only did 40-50mg, now my response to epi is kinda ****ed up but i was definitely noticing hardness, pumps and vascularity everyday just from 40-50mg 3x a week. I ran it for 8 weeks, used no supports, used nothing on off days.
    Those things never hurt but pulsing is a concept that works all by itself. I have run a lot of cycles and based on my experience judging shutdown, I really think that my shutdown was super minimal from that cycle. Even at 8 weeks I felt I could have used a weak OTC pct no problem.
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