1-Test Cyp Better Than M1T

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  1. Thumbs up 1-Test Cyp Better Than M1T


    When I say "better" I refer to all things, especially safety.

    I'm sure you've all seen my labs while on M1T. Here's some from my current cycle (1-test [email protected]/week, Sldge Test @1339mg/week, M5AA 40mg Pre Workout, 10mg M-Dien)

    The first number will be "baselines" taken on 6/7/04 (parenthesis because I was on Pro-Sust and M-Dien), then a comma, then values from today (6/18/04).

    AST 82,134; ALT 90,125; GGT 13,12; TBIL 1.2,1.0; DBIL 0.2,0.2; Cholesterol 146,95; HDL 31.9,32.0 LDH was not done today, but the "baseline" was 230

    Prolactin 4.61,10.43; Progesterone 1.03,0.88; Cortisol 15.07,11.19; PSA 0.51,0.58;

    With both M1T and 1-test cyp (but could also be the M5AA) there is a significant rise in liver enzymes (AST, ALT, and I'll venture to say that my LDH is much higher than 230 right now too). But whilst on M1T my HDL bottoms out at around 3-5 (while it's 32 right now and a real baseline was around 45-49) in a matter of days. Now whether that is a liver issue or a lipid issue, it is certainly not good at all. Also on M1T my glucose is always low, in the 50s-60s, no matter how long it is after I've eaten carbs, ect, as I run labs at all different times.

    So basically M1T is horrible for you. Not to say that it doesn't have it's place, ****, I have 10grams in my room .

    So here's why I say 1-test Cyp is "better" than M1T:

    It's not nearly as hard on the liver, and god knows what other systems in the body.

    It can be cycled for a lot longer (10+ weeks {with HCG}) where M1T really shouldn't be cycled for longer than 4 weeks.

    You get similar results, huge increases in strength, muscle size and hardness. They are both uber-potent, legal steroids.

    Taking that last point into consideration, you can stack another potent methyl with 1-test cyp, but not M1T. For instance 1-test cyp+M4OHN= The Best ****ing Legal Cycle You Could Ever Imagine, for as long as need be (using HCG). M1T+M4OHN= Awesome Cycle for only a few weeks, and even those few weeks you're taking a huge, unnecessary risk with your health.

    Cost of 1-test cyp is not much, 10 week cycle at 1gram/week for 95$. And most people won't use, and won't need a gram a week(including me but it's so much fun ), so it'll last longer than that.

    I probably forgot some ****, but this is getting long.

    Keep in mind that both M1T and 1-Test Cyp MUST be stacked with either trans or "dartable" 4AD of some sort, Sldge Test would be perfect.

    What I've noticed while on this cycle so far. Huge increases in strength and aggressiveness, more so than bulking with M1T and 6,000 calories and no cardio, and I'm cutting right now with Clen, Tri-Max, about 3,000 calories, and 40min of cardio 6 days a week. On my last Tri-Max cycle with M-Dien and Pro-Sust I lost a ton of strength and looked flat as ****, this time I look bigger and more cut than ever, and I'm only 2 weeks in. I'm only cutting for another 2 weeks, then I'm getting rid of the Clen and Tri-Max, upping calories but keeping cardio.

    1-test cyp and Sldge Test from www.designersupps.com Tell him SS sent you


  2. So how long has this one been running???

    How are the sides with the cyp?

    I am tempted to get some to run along side of my pro-sust for this last month or so.
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  3. Only been running 10 days so far. I feel like a whole new animal, though. Maybe it's just the M5AA. And if that's the case when the 1-test hits me full force I might just explode. If you meant how long have I been on total? I lost count.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    If you meant how long have I been on total? I lost count.
    I figured you had by now...

  5. Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    Here's some from my current cycle (1-test [email protected]/week, Sldge Test @1339mg/week
    Holy **** bro....what concentrations are the injectables/ml? Are you injecting EOD?? I ask because that seems to be a lot of cc's/week...
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  6. 1-test cyp is 200mg/ml, Sldge Test is 255mg/ml, 1.5cc's each EOD.
  7. Cool


    Had some bad sides on MIT , especially in the 3rd week.I.ve decided to try 1-test Cyp on my next cycle with test cyp and MOHN. I definitely feel that its the way to go. I've got great expectations for this upcoming cycle.

  8. How is the lethargy (if any) from 1-T-Cyp compared to M1T? I know the worst part of M1T for me was the High Blood Pressure and LETHARGY!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by gobig1
    How is the lethargy (if any) from 1-T-Cyp compared to M1T? I know the worst part of M1T for me was the High Blood Pressure and LETHARGY!

    Yeah GOOD question....how was it??

    I think I might get me a vial of that sheeit...sounds like it would be worth it at the least to hold on to since the ban is coming...

  10. That sounds great, especially with m4ohn!
    What kind of gains (lb wise) are most people getting off the sledge-test ?

  11. I too am interested in the sides and how they relate to M1t.

    Also, GOBIG1, didn't how do a cycle recently with large doses of M4ohn? (40mg ED?) What were your results from that cycle? Just wondering.

    SS, thanks for the stats, once again.

  12. Well, not to intrude on SS's thread, when I took 1-Test Cyp, the lethargy hit me like a truck. Much worse than what I had gotten off transdermal 1-Test or oral(Sauce) 1-Test. I acclimated though by the 4th week(only on 5weeks). I haven't taken M-1-T yet(my stash is ever growing, saving it for who knows when) so I can't compare that to 1-Test Cyp. Just be prepared for it. Other than the lethargy I didn't really feel bad, no sick feeling or anything. My stuff came from Dazed also, I had gotten it before Designer had come out with his stuff. I did 400mg per week, divided into 2 shots(200mg each) per week.

  13. Lethargy shouldn't be a problem since he said in his first post that 4AD is a standard to stack it with.

    Mmmmmm, makes me think I should turn this mohn 16mg/day regimen 4 week into a m4ohn/1-test cyp/trans 4AD cycle 6 week.

    Damn, there I go ordering some t-gel and homebrew stuff.

    Hmmm, anyone tried 1-test cyp in a transdermal?

  14. Waste of powder using 1-test cyp in a transdermal; the ester weight will allow less to get through your skin. You would get better results with 1-test base in a trans.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by PastorofMuppets
    Lethargy shouldn't be a problem since he said in his first post that 4AD is a standard to stack it with.

    Mmmmmm, makes me think I should turn this mohn 16mg/day regimen 4 week into a m4ohn/1-test cyp/trans 4AD cycle 6 week.

    Damn, there I go ordering some t-gel and homebrew stuff.

    Hmmm, anyone tried 1-test cyp in a transdermal?
    I used T-4 at 6 squirts a day with the 1-T Cyp, along with 19NorDiol, 5-AD, 1,4Andro and T1-pro. It still didn't stop the lethargy. I'm just trying to prepare you for it. Take it for what it is worth.

  16. For me using IM 4AD-cyp/prop/Sldge Test, whatever as long as it's injectable, with a dose of 1400mg/week as a starting point, I don't have any lethargy. When I ran M1T solo back in January, the lethargy and just overall feeling like **** was unbearable, but I've cycled it recently with about 1800mg/week Pro-Sust and the the sides were non-existant. IMO trans 4AD does not compare at all to something like 4AD cyp or Sldge Test.

  17. I'm doing a similiar cycle right now w/a gram of 1test cyp, and 1.6 grams of 4ad cyp a week. It's day six so hasn't kicked in yet.

  18. Read the first part of this. I don't make this **** up

    http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=13&t=6792&

  19. Supersoldier, how about an update on the 1Tcyp/sledgetest cycle, bout to start one myself. Also is an anti-e needed, I'm guessing no if your using M5aa with it.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBootyDady
    Supersoldier, how about an update on the 1Tcyp/sledgetest cycle, bout to start one myself. Also is an anti-e needed, I'm guessing no if your using M5aa with it.
    I'm gonna try and run more labs today, the M-Dien has been out of the mix for about 5 days now. I'm cutting pretty hard (clen/tri-max) and have lost minimal strength. Deadlift from 410 X10 -> 410X9 Squat from 335X5 ->335X4. Bench suffered a little more 225X8->225X6. I'm getting rid of the Tri-Max and and clen next week, swapping M5AA for M4OHN and I'm gonna try and regain my losses and then some. The acne right now is killing me. I don't take any anti-estrogens (letro or Arimidex) but I do take about 15mg nolva every day just in case of gyno. I figure "why not?" as it's very cheap. There is very little bloat.

  21. Thanks for the reply SS, just started my cycle 10 minutes ago, first time injecting, glad to have gotten it over with. Gotta admit I was a little nervous but it was no big deal at all. Hardest part was gettin it out of the vial! Gonna run it 10 weeks with M4ohn and maybe m5aa, I don't wanna run 2 methyls because I wan't to work up to 30 or 40mgs of m4ohn but the m5aa is fcuking addicting!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBootyDady
    Thanks for the reply SS, just started my cycle 10 minutes ago, first time injecting, glad to have gotten it over with. Gotta admit I was a little nervous but it was no big deal at all. Hardest part was gettin it out of the vial! Gonna run it 10 weeks with M4ohn and maybe m5aa, I don't wanna run 2 methyls because I wan't to work up to 30 or 40mgs of m4ohn but the m5aa is fcuking addicting!
    Sometimes the 1-test cyp hurts the **** out of my muscle. It'll hurt the same day, go away the next, and then the next 2 days it feels like someone beat the **** out of it. It only really happens when I hit the delt. Lately I've just been alternating glutes EOD, with 1.5cc's Sldge Test and 1.5cc's 1-test cyp in the same syringe. No problems so far. I've noticed a huge difference in soreness(for the better) since I started pinning with 25g vs 23g. HUGE dfference! I think it's because the 25g forces you to inject much slower. If you're having problems pulling from the bottle, try using a bigger bore needle. I switched from a 23g to a 22g and there's a huge difference there too.

  23. How did the soarness effect your training? I shot a ml of each in my quad. I wanted to be able to use both hands and see what I was doing. I made sure to let it go in slow. So the 1tcyp causes soarness? Right now the area feels alittle numb.

  24. We got new machines in Chemistry, and apparently some reagents aren't loaded on them yet, so all I got that is of any use is: AST 95, down from 134; ALT 98, down from 125; TBIL 0.8 down from 1.0; DBIL 0.1, down from 0.2; My cholesterol is down to 86, and the HDL is one of the tests I can't run. Sucks because that was the main one I was looking for. The elevated enzymes before must have been due to the M-Dien, which I ran out of. I'm only on the 2 injectables+M5AA right now.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    . I'm only on the 2 injectables+M5AA right now.
    hahah "only"
  26. Thumbs up Update


    I'm 5 and a half weeks into SS's Body Recompostition Cycle .

    Bumped up the Sldge Test to 1785mg/week from 1339mg, kept the 1-test cyp at 1050mg/week.

    Did two weeks of Clen, Tri-Max, and M5AA/M-Dien, cut a lot of fat and lost minimal, if any muscle and strength. Was doing cardio 4 days a week and running below maintenance calories.

    Dropped the Clen, Tri-Max, M5AA/M-Dien and ran M1T for 3 weeks. Oh my god ! This was sort of a "lean bulk" phase, upped the calories, dropped the cardio, and often trained twice a day. Let me state as fact that there is no way to get better gains legally than with this combo, if you can handle the sides (lethargy, Ridiculous-Sick-Crazy-Insane-Cartoon Character pumps). This is not for the faint of heart.

    Right now I'm gonna give the liver a break from the methyls and go into a 2 week "Tightening up" phase with Clen and only the Sldge Test and 1-Test Cyp.

    After that I'm not too sure if I wanna add M4OHN or not. I'm gonna run this about 5 more weeks total, then do a very long PCT (finally )

    I'll post some pics soon. Point of all this, if you don't have access to "real" gear, you're best bet if you wanna run a hardcore cycle is to use 1-2 injectables for 10 weeks or so, and rotate methyls in and out.

    Sldge has a limited amount of 4AD-cyp and 1-test cyp steriles back in stock. www.designersupps.com

  27. Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    I'm 5 and a half weeks into SS's Body Recompostition Cycle .

    Point of all this, if you don't have access to "real" gear, you're best bet if you wanna run a hardcore cycle is to use 1-2 injectables for 10 weeks or so, and rotate methyls in and out.

    www.designersupps.com
    Sounds like a plan

    Supersoldier, you feel 4ad cyp blows a 4ad transdermal out of the water?

    Would you compare the 1test cyp to tren? Any experience with tren?

    Thanks

  28. Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    Sometimes the 1-test cyp hurts the **** out of my muscle. It'll hurt the same day, go away the next, and then the next 2 days it feels like someone beat the **** out of it. It only really happens when I hit the delt. Lately I've just been alternating glutes EOD, with 1.5cc's Sldge Test and 1.5cc's 1-test cyp in the same syringe. No problems so far. I've noticed a huge difference in soreness(for the better) since I started pinning with 25g vs 23g. HUGE dfference! I think it's because the 25g forces you to inject much slower. If you're having problems pulling from the bottle, try using a bigger bore needle. I switched from a 23g to a 22g and there's a huge difference there too.
    I noticed that if I put 4ad and 1-test in the same syringe, it doesn't hurt at all in the following days but if I shoot 1-test solo the injection spot hurts like hell for 3-4 days. The 4ad seems to nullify the irritating properties of 1-test. this is something other people should try if having site pain. BTW that 25g is much less painful than the 23 or 22.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    Dropped the Clen, Tri-Max, M5AA/M-Dien and ran M1T for 3 weeks. Oh my god ! This was sort of a "lean bulk" phase, upped the calories, dropped the cardio, and often trained twice a day. Let me state as fact that there is no way to get better gains legally than with this combo, if you can handle the sides (lethargy, Ridiculous-Sick-Crazy-Insane-Cartoon Character pumps). This is not for the faint of heart.
    ]
    I bet that combo works better than most 'illegal' stacks as well !! (but anadrol / 1-test cyp ain't bad for crazy pumps either)

  30. 25's are the way to go imo.
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