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  1. My first forum! A little nervous...


    Hey everyone. I've never done this whole forum thing before, but I've reached this annoying plateau and decided to seek some help. 32 year old male here, been lifting faithfully for eight years. No intention of cutting at the moment (prob later down the road) but my ultimate goal has been to bulk and get some massive arms and shoulders. I've done my homework and taken an immense interest in beginning a cycle, be it prohormone or injectable or otherwise. Was wonderin if any of you could lead me down the right path! Any and all help is appreciated! Lookin forward to gettin to know some peeps on here and uppin my game along the way!


  2. Quote Originally Posted by biohazardjerm View Post
    Hey everyone. I've never done this whole forum thing before, but I've reached this annoying plateau and decided to seek some help. 32 year old male here, been lifting faithfully for eight years. No intention of cutting at the moment (prob later down the road) but my ultimate goal has been to bulk and get some massive arms and shoulders. I've done my homework and taken an immense interest in beginning a cycle, be it prohormone or injectable or otherwise. Was wonderin if any of you could lead me down the right path! Any and all help is appreciated! Lookin forward to gettin to know some peeps on here and uppin my game along the way!
    whats your level of knowledge on steroids and ph/ds???
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  3. Also, what other supplements have you taken in the past?

  4. The only supps I use on a regular basis are creatine mono and a multi. I've tried NO Explode before but wasn't too crazy about it. I know designer steroids are methylated and could potentially harm my liver without proper supps and pct. I've read a good beginner injectable cycle might be test cyp followed by a pct of nolva or clomid. I've also read up on successful ds beginner cycles consisting of superdrol.

  5. well if you looking just to bulk...
    then test cyp would be a good beginners cycle for anyone @ 500 mg a week for at least 10 weeks and use dbol as a kickstart since it takes time for the test to buildup in you.

    what's wrong with no xplode? it's a good prework out supp...
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  6. Just seemed like it got the ol ticker racing a little too much. Would beginner gains post cycle of test and dbol diminish afterward? I'm a little concerned about testicular atrophy and affects on the heart. Would this be an issue? Also does everyone agree that the test and dbol would do the trick? Sorry for all the questions...

  7. Quote Originally Posted by biohazardjerm View Post
    Also does everyone agree that the test and dbol would do the trick? Sorry for all the questions...
    test with a d-bol kick start would be a beautiful first time Bulker.. IMO

  8. Quote Originally Posted by biohazardjerm View Post
    The only supps I use on a regular basis are creatine mono and a multi. I've tried NO Explode before but wasn't too crazy about it. I know designer steroids are methylated and could potentially harm my liver without proper supps and pct. I've read a good beginner injectable cycle might be test cyp followed by a pct of nolva or clomid. I've also read up on successful ds beginner cycles consisting of superdrol.
    A good beginer cycle is 'not' a injectable cycle, or 'not' superdrol by any means.

    A short 4 week cycle with a compound like H-drol/halodrol is a perfect first cycle, with support supplements, and a proper 4-5 week post cycle clomid therapy.
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  9. Injectables arent for everyone but I see no problem with starting off with a simple test cylce. I do not believe a dbol kickstart to be necessary or smart for your first run. A nice Test Enanthate run at 500mg/wk for 16wks should produce great gains for you.

    Have an Aromatase Inhibitor on hand incase of any estrogen realted side effects. Not all experience concerning sides at that dose but you dont want to find out you do and not have a remedy.

    PCT, as mentioned, is obviously important. Research for yourself on SERMs and decide, based on sides/compounds you are running which would be best for you. People can help you with dosing once you've made a choice.

  10. i really don't think there's any problem with using test for a first cycle

    personally my entry into steroids was as cautious and conservative as possible, my first cycle was just 1 bottle of halodrol, I gained nothing because the compound was so weak. I was so cautious I wasted my time.

    Testosterone is ok... You just have to keep estrogen in check.

    I do agree that halodrol or even epi are good beginner cycles, but given the choice, I would recommend 10 weeks of test, because I think you will make more gains and keep more gains and probably have a more enjoyable experience.

    hell i don't see the problem with using dbol to kick it in your first cycle. Again, you just need to worry about estrogen. If you prevent bloating, BP should not be a problem.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by xFRACTION View Post
    Injectables arent for everyone but I see no problem with starting off with a simple test cylce. I do not believe a dbol kickstart to be necessary or smart for your first run. A nice Test Enanthate run at 500mg/wk for 16wks should produce great gains for you.

    Have an Aromatase Inhibitor on hand incase of any estrogen realted side effects. Not all experience concerning sides at that dose but you dont want to find out you do and not have a remedy.

    PCT, as mentioned, is obviously important. Research for yourself on SERMs and decide, based on sides/compounds you are running which would be best for you. People can help you with dosing once you've made a choice.
    A 16 week test cycle is NOT a beginer cycle bro, that's not very good advice at all. No literature will support you on your opinion either, feel free to prove me wrong, and find me any reputable source that recommends this...

    thank-you
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  12. Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    i really don't think there's any problem with using test for a first cycle

    personally my entry into steroids was as cautious and conservative as possible, my first cycle was just 1 bottle of halodrol, I gained nothing because the compound was so weak. I was so cautious I wasted my time.

    Testosterone is ok... You just have to keep estrogen in check.

    I do agree that halodrol or even epi are good beginner cycles, but given the choice, I would recommend 10 weeks of test, because I think you will make more gains and keep more gains and probably have a more enjoyable experience.

    hell i don't see the problem with using dbol to kick it in your first cycle. Again, you just need to worry about estrogen. If you prevent bloating, BP should not be a problem.
    A first cycle is developing a safe protocol, and becoming familar with anabolic compounds, and running a healthy pct. I know of hundreds of people that had very good experiences with 4 week Halodrol runs, so that is only 'your opinion', not the standard outcome opinion.

    Halodrol has a very decent anabolic index (mid 70's of 100), so calling it "so weak", is not correct.

    What was your diet, and training protocol like at the time you ran Halodrol? I'm also a Fitness Director, and Nutrition Counselor, so I can detect flaws in cycle outcomes. If you gained nothing from Halodrol, you obviously didn't take advantage of 'nutrient timing', enhanced glycogen storage etc...
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  13. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    A 16 week test cycle is NOT a beginer cycle bro, that's not very good advice at all. No literature will support you on your opinion either, feel free to prove me wrong, and find me any reputable source that recommends this...

    thank-you
    Neg Rep for this LMFAO,

    If its going to ok to run a test prop cylce at 12 weeks, and a longer ester(Enanthate) takes longer to see results, then a 16 wk test only cycle is far from dangerous.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by xFRACTION View Post
    Neg Rep for this LMFAO,

    If its going to ok to run a test prop cylce at 12 weeks, and a longer ester(Enanthate) takes longer to see results, then a 16 wk test only cycle is far from dangerous.
    Yes, it's stupid advice. If you are running hcg, something like ghrp-6 straight through into post cycle, and 4 weeks apon secession, then yes. Again we are talking about giving "first cycle advice', not what you think sounds cool to type. See the difference? K good.
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  15. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    Yes, it's stupid advice. If you are running hcg, something like ghrp-6 straight through into post cycle, and 4 weeks apon secession, then yes. Again we are talking about giving "first cycle advice', not what you think sounds cool to type. See the difference? K good.
    Yea you're totally correct! Everyone beware of this brand new lethal hormone "Testosterone"

  16. Quote Originally Posted by xFRACTION View Post
    Yea you're totally correct! Everyone beware of this brand new lethal hormone "Testosterone"
    You missed the train bro. Did I say testosterone was leathal? No I did not, I said... and read slowly, I think there may be some lag upstairs. "FOR A FIRST CYCLE!!!!!!!!!".
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  17. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    You missed the train bro. Did I say testosterone was leathal? No I did not, I said... and read slowly, I think there may be some lag upstairs. "FOR A FIRST CYCLE!!!!!!!!!".
    Nah man Im takin it all in. Halodrol is amazing, test is not for beginners, and unreal is aboviously an unreputable source....gotcha

  18. Quote Originally Posted by xFRACTION View Post
    Neg Rep for this LMFAO,

    If its going to ok to run a test prop cylce at 12 weeks, and a longer ester(Enanthate) takes longer to see results, then a 16 wk test only cycle is far from dangerous.
    Are you saying a 12 week cycle of testosterone enanthate will not produce results. Yes you just did, and yes you are wrong again. Enanthate takes about 5-6 weeks to develop stable blood levels of required build up. A twelve week cycle will yeild very good results if you understand the whole other side of the ballgame (training, nutrient timing etc) Do you see a pattern here? Yes you do.
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  19. Quote Originally Posted by xFRACTION View Post
    Nah man Im takin it all in. Halodrol is amazing, test is not for beginners, and unreal is aboviously an unreputable source....gotcha
    K, no hard feelings.
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  20. Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    i really don't think there's any problem with using test for a first cycle

    personally my entry into steroids was as cautious and conservative as possible, my first cycle was just 1 bottle of halodrol, I gained nothing because the compound was so weak. I was so cautious I wasted my time.

    Testosterone is ok... You just have to keep estrogen in check.

    I do agree that halodrol or even epi are good beginner cycles, but given the choice, I would recommend 10 weeks of test, because I think you will make more gains and keep more gains and probably have a more enjoyable experience.

    hell i don't see the problem with using dbol to kick it in your first cycle. Again, you just need to worry about estrogen. If you prevent bloating, BP should not be a problem.

    x2 I like the way you break things down.

  21. ^^ You may or may not know your stuff, I don't know you. But I do know that even if you know what your talking about.. your still a complete effing ****. If you have no advice other than criticism.. go choke on your epeen. Thanks for playing.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Pipes View Post
    ^^ You may or may not know your stuff, I don't know you. But I do know that even if you know what your talking about.. your still a complete effing ****. If you have no advice other than criticism.. go choke on your epeen. Thanks for playing.
    who are you talking too??
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    Offer your advice and move on.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Pipes View Post
    ^^ You may or may not know your stuff, I don't know you. But I do know that even if you know what your talking about.. your still a complete effing ****. If you have no advice other than criticism.. go choke on your epeen. Thanks for playing.
    If you are talking to me then you should quote me. Two things, I gave my advice already, I think test with a dbol kickstart is a great beginer cycle.And seconed how is agreeing with unrealmachine's post and saying i like the way he breaks it down CRITICISM If anything it's being positive,, Are you Alright????

  25. tripdog I got to disagree with you...
    first injectable test is a good beginners cycle.. it's not like he injecting tren as a first cycle...

    test cyp was my first inject cycle..
    as long as he play it safe a does not go over board..

    stick to 500 mg a week....

  26. Quote Originally Posted by biohazardjerm View Post
    Just seemed like it got the ol ticker racing a little too much. Would beginner gains post cycle of test and dbol diminish afterward? I'm a little concerned about testicular atrophy and affects on the heart. Would this be an issue? Also does everyone agree that the test and dbol would do the trick? Sorry for all the questions...
    most people will agree dbol as a kickstart... your balls will not shrink if you only run for 10 weeks...trust me I done this cycle
    but let it be known that it takes a while for test to kick in..
    myslef and a friend was using test at the same time and he stopped after the 4th week cause it wasn't doing nothing for him... duh you gotta let it build up..

    if you do not take a pct you will lose your gains.. trust me again.. cause I lost mine for improper pct..

  27. Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    If you are talking to me then you should quote me. Two things, I gave my advice already, I think test with a dbol kickstart is a great beginer cycle.And seconed how is agreeing with unrealmachine's post and saying i like the way he breaks it down CRITISISM If anything it's being positive,, Are you Alright????
    I think he on the crank

  28. Quote Originally Posted by boricuarage View Post
    I think he on the crank
    Thank You I thought maybee I was losing it. I was looking at the posts to figure out where the criticism was hidden.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by boricuarage View Post
    I think he on the crank
    either crack or on too much tren... that sure came from the left field.

    to OP if you have access to injectables for your first cycle then take that route, lots of good advice already mentioned.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    either crack or on too much tren... that sure came from the left field.

    to OP if you have access to injectables for your first cycle then take that route, lots of good advice already mentioned.
    crank is that old school stuff, worse than crack
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