A first cycle is developing a safe protocol, and becoming familar with anabolic compounds, and running a healthy pct. I know of hundreds of people that had very good experiences with 4 week Halodrol runs, so that is only 'your opinion', not the standard outcome opinion.
Halodrol has a very decent anabolic index (mid 70's of 100), so calling it "so weak", is not correct.
What was your diet, and training protocol like at the time you ran Halodrol? I'm also a Fitness Director, and Nutrition Counselor, so I can detect flaws in cycle outcomes. If you gained nothing from Halodrol, you obviously didn't take advantage of 'nutrient timing', enhanced glycogen storage etc...
Instead of showing me what's wrong with a test cycle, you call out my training because of my experience with halodrol?
Trip I have seen many of your posts and i respect you as a good and knowledgeable guy. But you obviously do not know me as well. I have what I would call a sub par response to most anabolics. Halodrol doesn't produce gains for me... period.
I recently ran it again, I used over 3 bottles, I went to 125mg a day. I gained like 2 pounds in the first week and I got real excited. After that all I noticed was some muscular hardening and that was it. Week after week I waited for the gains... they never came. 125mg, nothing. I had to throw in SD to save the cycle. SD actually works on me, and works very well.
I have ran many cycles and many compounds. I know how to eat, I know how to train, please do not question my diet/training that is why I put up an avatar, so people can see that I am on a level where I know what I am doing. Some compounds work great on me. SD, PP, tren, I make great gains similar to what other people experience. Other steroids like halodrol, epistane, I get some hardening but train and eat as I may, just no gains. Even testosterone 1g was weak as hell and yes I got bloodwork to show my test was not fake.
Anyway, I have seen lots of people get great results on halodrol, yes. I have also seen dozens of people like myself who get practically nothing from it. I would most certainly classify it as a weak compound. A lot of users need to hit over 100mg a day to really notice it. Some people have run it up to 200mg a day.
I think, overall, halodrol is a great first cycle. So we are in agreement here! I just think that a large percentage of users, probably 25-40%, will be disappointed by how weak it is. I encourage first time users to have at least 2 bottles of it. I really think it needs 6 weeks and up to 100mg for a lot of people. That is why Helladrol comes with 180 capsules instead of 60... you can't get a real cycle out of 60.
I see test as superior. And I am not even a big fan of test personally. But testosterone is the most tried and true muscle builder in history. You will not experience lethargy, you will feel great, you will be confident, you will have an outrageous libido, you will make quality size and strength gains over a long period of time, you will keep a lot of the gains because they were accrued over such a long period of time... and you will get experience injecting which is good because in the long run injectable steroids used in conjunction with oral steroids are far superior and healthier than sticking to oral-only cycles. If you use a dbol kickstart, you will probably gain like 20 pounds.
a friend was using test at the same time and he stopped after the 4th week cause it wasn't doing nothing for him... duh you gotta let it build up..
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I LOL'd.