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What are "back pumps?"

  1.  11-22-2010  10:52 PM
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    It's certainly caused by some combination of excess bloodflow to the kidneys + erector spinae and glycogen retention. Either way, it has nothing to do with estrogenic water retention and can be remedied with Taurine (and creatine and potassium to a lesser degree).



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    Nowhere do I see anyone saying that back pumps are brought on by the use of PH's.

    Sounds like anyone can get them at anytime, depending on the situation!

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    Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post
    Nowhere do I see anyone saying that back pumps are brought on by the use of PH's.

    Sounds like anyone can get them at anytime, depending on the situation!
    Could you be more clear?
    Plenty of "PHs" (oral steroids) have a high potential for causing back pumps. Superdrol is notorious for this, and M1T was the worst back in the day. The others all do as well. The only ones unlikely to are 4-ad and 1,4-AD (since test and boldenone don't do this much).

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    Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    They suuuuuccccckkkk! Shin/calf pumps are also a runners nightmare.
    I hate the calf pumps, this is my first cycle and i got back and calf pumps for real and they suck ass. I'm starting the taurine pills today. shooting for 5 grams to start.

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    Originally Posted by Orangatang View Post
    I hate the calf pumps, this is my first cycle and i got back and calf pumps for real and they suck ass. I'm starting the taurine pills today. shooting for 5 grams to start.
    You should have just gotten the bulk powder.

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    Originally Posted by Gator 87 View Post
    You should have just gotten the bulk powder.
    I wanted to man, I went to a local vitamin retailer bc i simply couldn't wait for any to be shipped to me. And for whatever reason they didn't have any damn powder only pills.

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    I always say the good o' PH pumps is your liver kicking you saying "why are you doing this to me, I thought we were friends!" Lol
    To get un-naturally big, you gotta do un-natural things

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    Originally Posted by DBdude View Post
    I always say the good o' PH pumps is your liver kicking you saying "why are you doing this to me, I thought we were friends!" Lol
    See, I thought it was my kidneys going on strike.

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    Originally Posted by Orangatang View Post
    I hate the calf pumps, this is my first cycle and i got back and calf pumps for real and they suck ass. I'm starting the taurine pills today. shooting for 5 grams to start.
    Originally Posted by Gator 87 View Post
    You should have just gotten the bulk powder.
    Originally Posted by Orangatang View Post
    I wanted to man, I went to a local vitamin retailer bc i simply couldn't wait for any to be shipped to me. And for whatever reason they didn't have any damn powder only pills.
    Bulk Taurine is very grainy and sinks to the bottom of any liquid... it is effective though, keeps the cramps at bay while on Clenbuterol.

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    Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Bulk Taurine is very grainy and sinks to the bottom of any liquid... it is effective though, keeps the cramps at bay while on Clenbuterol.
    Try putting it in hot water. It dissolves completely.

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    Originally Posted by Gator 87 View Post
    Try putting it in hot water. It dissolves completely.
    I've done similar with creatine mono powder. tastes like sh*t but who cares i suppose. but regardless of the water temperature the solution will become saturated at some point and you will have grains in the bottom if you do not use enough water

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    Originally Posted by Orangatang View Post
    I've done similar with creatine mono powder. tastes like sh*t but who cares i suppose. but regardless of the water temperature the solution will become saturated at some point and you will have grains in the bottom if you do not use enough water
    Well yeah, that's physical science 101.
    But just a few oz of piping hot water is enough to fully dissolve 5g of taurine and another 5g of creatine.

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    Originally Posted by Gator 87 View Post
    Well yeah, that's physical science 101.
    But just a few oz of piping hot water is enough to fully dissolve 5g of taurine and another 5g of creatine.
    whats wrong with taking the powder straight and washin it down with water? I've been doing that with glutamine, taurine, creatine, and GABA. Its alot easier and faster
    To get un-naturally big, you gotta do un-natural things

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    taurine always works great for me...mix it in some gatorade

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    Originally Posted by Gator 87 View Post
    Try putting it in hot water. It dissolves completely.
    Thanks I usually do shotgun it, but I also sip on it during my workout if I am on cycle or taking clen to alleviate cramping throughout.

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    Originally Posted by DBdude View Post
    whats wrong with taking the powder straight and washin it down with water? I've been doing that with glutamine, taurine, creatine, and GABA. Its alot easier and faster
    Nothing really.
    Though I have had a crystal shard of Taurine stab me in the back of the throat by doing that (that **** is sharp!!).
    After that, I've been leery of eating crystalline powders and try to dissolve them.

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    Originally Posted by Gator 87 View Post
    Nothing really.
    Though I have had a crystal shard of Taurine stab me in the back of the throat by doing that (that **** is sharp!!).
    After that, I've been leery of eating crystalline powders and try to dissolve them.
    Is this common? It must've been pretty good size to stab your throat

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    An imbalance caused by aldosterone, this was typically considered as the issue with back pumps when using oral AAS


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    Originally Posted by Orangatang View Post
    Is this common? It must've been pretty good size to stab your throat
    Some of the shards are like 2mm long and very sharp. It must have caught me just right :/
    Either way, it hurt like hell. lol

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    Originally Posted by Gator 87 View Post
    Some of the shards are like 2mm long and very sharp. It must have caught me just right :/
    Either way, it hurt like hell. lol
    wow, what company made the taurine with the concealed dagger?
    To get un-naturally big, you gotta do un-natural things

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