you can find all of this out by searching on here man. but anyway, tren is terrible and awesome. I hated it and won't run it again but it got me shredded. doesn't even compare to test. problem is I also had nightmares of murdering my room mates, had gyno, my hair fell out, I got horrifying acne, my blood pressure was FUBAR'd and it took me 6 months to start to feel normal after that cycle even after running two PCTs. tren shuts you down HARD. I will never run it again.