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    3 weeks into 1st PH cycle.... No Results :(


    I started my 1st PH cycle at the beginning of Oct. So far ive gained no weight, and minimal strength increase. Ive had little to no sides just a little bit of above normal acne on my face. I took my diet and training serious for the past 3 weeks to make the most out of my cycle. I dont know if i got some bad stuff or my body just doesn't react well to these PH's (Epi,Tren clones).

    My question is should i just abandon this cycle? I was thinking of just starting PCT and start doing research for a better cycle / better product in a few months.

    For PCT i was going to use Nolva 20mg a day for 2 weeks, tribulus, and liver support. Will this PCT be solid enough?

    What do u guys think?

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    What is the product you're running?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightweight1 View Post
    I dont know if i got some bad stuff or my body just doesn't react well to these PH's (Epi,Tren clones).

    What do u guys think?
    you're running epi/tren and dont have anything to show for it yet?

    by taking your diet seriously, what do you mean? how much are you eating?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    What is the product you're running?
    I purchased those Raw PH's online before i did much research and figured ill just give them a go since i had them on hand. The PH profiles on these match Tren and Epi, if that is really in them.... here is the info from the website:

    RaW
    Anabolic Stack 1
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    Mass/Muscle Building Stack
    Creates Strength, Power, and Speed

    90 capsules
    take 3 per day (spaced out over
    3 hour intervals)

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    25mg

    2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
    10mg

    I used as directed above 3 caps a day
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    so 75mg of max lmg and 30mg of epi a day... if the product is legit you should be noticing something after 3 weeks of that... suppose it's possible you are really a poor responder but to 2 steroids, that's unusual.

    Do you not notice anything extra in the gym? better vascularity, better pumps? if you're not getting better pumps and muscular hardness then something is wrong. All steroids i've tried will at least cause your muscles to tighten up a bit and you should be able to feel the difference.
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    Yeah you should definitely feel something, have strength gains at least.. Otherwise its a crappy product or you're not eating & training right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASFh32 View Post
    you're running epi/tren and dont have anything to show for it yet?

    by taking your diet seriously, what do you mean? how much are you eating?
    Im an Ectomorph so I intake a lot of calories. I was 168 pounds 3 years ago and got this far with the diet ive been using. There is plenty of extra calories above my maintenance for my body to grow.

    Training wise ive been hitting it as hard as i can to maximize the PH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    so 75mg of max lmg and 30mg of epi a day... if the product is legit you should be noticing something after 3 weeks of that... suppose it's possible you are really a poor responder but to 2 steroids, that's unusual.

    Do you not notice anything extra in the gym? better vascularity, better pumps? if you're not getting better pumps and muscular hardness then something is wrong. All steroids i've tried will at least cause your muscles to tighten up a bit and you should be able to feel the difference.
    I felt slightly more pumped up in the gym but nothing notable. I think it was more mental because I knew I had taken something. I felt more the 1st time I took creatine if that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightweight1 View Post
    I felt slightly more pumped up in the gym but nothing notable. I think it was more mental because I knew I had taken something. I felt more the 1st time I took creatine if that helps.
    What' your total daily caloric intake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    What' your total daily caloric intake?
    4500 im a super hard gainer so i try to thrown in a few weight gainer shakes after WO and throughout the day
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    168 to 225 in 3 years? you arent a hardgainer thats for sure. with gains like that, it would seem logical that you know how to train and eat...and 4500 is pretty good, i know i gain on that. just make sure its really 4500, you can log on fitday.com

    could be bunk product, or you just do not respond. try other compounds next time. and 2 weeks of low dose nolva isnt enough, make it 4, and you may want a better T booster than plain trib...also liver support is for ON cycle not PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanski View Post
    168 to 225 in 3 years? you arent a hardgainer thats for sure. with gains like that, it would seem logical that you know how to train and eat...and 4500 is pretty good, i know i gain on that. just make sure its really 4500, you can log on fitday.com

    could be bunk product, or you just do not respond. try other compounds next time. and 2 weeks of low dose nolva isnt enough, make it 4, and you may want a better T booster than plain trib...also liver support is for ON cycle not PCT.
    Ill try some epi-strong on my next cycle ive read good things on here about it.

    So run the Nolva 20mg for 4 weeks instead? What do you recommend for a test booster? Right now my libido is the same as it was when i started and I havent noticed any decrease in my nuts either.
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    well you may not be suppressed at all, may need nothing, but typical PCT is clomid or nolva x 4 weeks, and start a test booster 2 weeks into PCT (cortisol control up to you). I've used Stoked, Stoked/Testopro (excellent results), and have some Titanium on hand for my Natadrol cycle (cant comment yet).

    you could try a superdrol/epi bridge next time, but it seems 30 of epi doesnt touch you. you may need 40-60.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanski View Post
    well you may not be suppressed at all, may need nothing, but typical PCT is clomid or nolva x 4 weeks, and start a test booster 2 weeks into PCT (cortisol control up to you). I've used Stoked, Stoked/Testopro (excellent results), and have some Titanium on hand for my Natadrol cycle (cant comment yet).

    you could try a superdrol/epi bridge next time, but it seems 30 of epi doesnt touch you. you may need 40-60.
    Id rather go overkill on PCT just to be safe. So nolva 4 weeks even know my cycle was only 3? Ill look into those test boosters.

    As far as superdrol goes im a little apprehensive about trying it because of the toxicity. How was your experience with it?
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