on the edge of deciding to dive into PHs

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    on the edge of deciding to dive into PHs


    21 yrs old
    180lbs, 14% BF
    1.5 years lifting
    no prior experience with hormonals

    deads: 5*5*245
    bench: 5*5*150
    squats: 5*5*195

    cycle would be:

    cycle assist and liv52: preloaded 2wks, run until end
    hdrol: 50/75/75/75/75/75 (6th week optional)

    for PCT:
    Nolva 20/20/10/10
    Lean Xtreme and Recycle per bottle recommendations

    Taurine as needed.

    Bloods pre, at conclusion of hdrol, and 1-2 weeks after conclusion of PCT. Blood pressure would be monitored daily.

    I don't think many would object to that.

    Only things that are stopping me are:
    -permanent HPTA damage
    -lots of room for natural growth
    Am I being reasonable or overcautious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneoff View Post
    21 yrs old
    180lbs, 14% BF
    1.5 years lifting
    no prior experience with hormonals

    deads: 5*5*245
    bench: 5*5*150
    squats: 5*5*195

    cycle would be:

    cycle assist and liv52: preloaded 2wks, run until end
    hdrol: 50/75/75/75/75/75 (6th week optional)

    for PCT:
    Nolva 20/20/10/10
    Lean Xtreme and Recycle per bottle recommendations

    Taurine as needed.

    Bloods pre, at conclusion of hdrol, and 1-2 weeks after conclusion of PCT. Blood pressure would be monitored daily.

    I don't think many would object to that.

    Only things that are stopping me are:
    -permanent HPTA damage
    -lots of room for natural growth
    Am I being reasonable or overcautious?
    Well mate you have all your ducks lined up to be fair.

    The questions are these. Are there more natural gains for you to make? Are you still progressing? 1.5 years could be considered early days as far as lifting is concerned.

    Have you chopped and changed you routine up much in that time? Whats your diet like?

    21 is right on the bone. Still loads of natty test to play with IMO.
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    yeahhhhh i think u should make natty gains before jumpingi nto ph's which most of them are actually steroids (they really are)


    but whatever u do becareful


    i had only been lifting 1.5 when i jumped in


    but my lifts where substantially higher



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    i vote no based on lifts, not being n ass jus saying i trained my friend for less than 3 months and he was DLing 315 x 5

    he started at liek 160/170lbs and his typical meal woudl be bowl of trix, pb sammich, and a cigarette
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    You did your research and lined things up nicely across the board.

    Even so, I'd still vote no. What experience do you have with any natural supplements geared toward strength or mass gains? It just seems like you have a ton of room to progress on your own. I've been lifting for 11 years and was still making gains with natural supplements and eating more.
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