Even though it doesn't seem to possess the more or less direct fat loss effect of S-4/andarine, the fact that is is more anabolic and less androgenic (as well as less suppressive) would seem to make it a nice choice for a cut to retain lean mass.
Ostarine improves insulin management in the body which would also be a positive while on a cut.For subjects receiving the 3 mg ostarine dose, total fat on average declined 0.6 kg compared to placebo. The site of fat loss differed among male and female subjects, with males losing fat primarily from the trunk and abdomen, and females losing fat primarily from the thighs and legs.
http://www.internationalbiotrust.com/press_releases/new/8_Dec_06_2.pdfIn the three month Phase II clinical trial in which patients with diabetes or obesity (BMI>30) were excluded, subjects treated with Ostarine 3 mg (n=23) had on average an 11% decline in fasting blood glucose (p<0.001), a 17.6% reduction in insulin levels (p=0.043), and a 26.8% reduction in insulin resistance (HOMA-IR) (p=0.037), when compared to their baseline measurements. Improvements in insulin resistance were more apparent among a small subset of prediabetic (fasting blood glucose of 100 - 125 mg/dL) patients (n=5) treated with Ostarine 3 mg in whom the mean fasting blood glucose declined by 17.4%, insulin levels reduced by 29.4%, and insulin resistance decreased by 41.3%.
For bulking, I have to admit that I am still a fan of ALRI's Building the Perfect Beast Chemical Muscle Enhancement protocols. They seem almost totally insane, but are effective and fast.Interesting stuff Easy... you got anything else in your bag of tricks for bulking instead of cutting like this?
well, its sort of a chicken + egg thing. Adding the mass gives you more or larger muscle fibers, so added strength can be trained into them once they are in place. Where the more highly androgenic stuff you build in more strength at first, which allows you to contine to gain size over time. The two are definitely related, if not directly.Id be interested to try this but dont have my hands on a bottle. The only thing for me is I like to actually still be able to lift a sh1t ton of weight. Now I dont mind looking strong but I want some power behind it too.
Hmm that is a good way of looking at it. I guess I will look more into these SARMs. Trying figure out what direction I want to take my training. One thing I do know is I dont need to get too much bigger.well, its sort of a chicken + egg thing. Adding the mass gives you more or larger muscle fibers, so added strength can be trained into them once they are in place. Where the more highly androgenic stuff you build in more strength at first, which allows you to contine to gain size over time. The two are definitely related, if not directly.
Me i'm too old, with joint issues and some amount even of tendon issues, to really want big strength.
You can find it, and whats nice is although its $$$ the dosing is low. I heard it was available as 15 ml of 50mg/ml at under $100. Figuring the clinical trials used 3-6mg a day, even a bodybuilding grade dose of 12.5mg/day gives you 2 months at that price.
Its less suppressive of HTPA, and almost entirely anabolic with negligible androgenic properties. I know most people go for the androgenic substances on cuts as they tend to create more lipolysis. But I've never been an ego lifter, and could care less what my bench press is so long as my size is good I'd rather look like I can bench 350 and curl 130 but only be able to do 200 + 90, than look like I can only bench 200 and curl 90 but be able to do 350 + 130
From what I can tell, Ostarine basically passed initial clinical trials, where due to the vision side effects Andarine wasn't deemed worthwhile to continue to pursue as a pharmaceutical.
Russianstar did a short log on it, he seemed to get reasonable mass gains with no fat loss or noticeable strength gains while at an unchanged maintenance diet.
Ok def leaning towards S4 lol. Fat loss plus MORE POWER!s4 will also be better for cutting and raw strength gains.