Newbie....Epi vs. Katanadrol V2.0??
- 09-02-2010, 11:56 PM
Newbie....Epi vs. Katanadrol V2.0??
Hey guys, im looking to recomp and shred the fat! which do u guys think is better in terms of sheer fatloss and leaning up??
im 23yr old.
6'1 205lbs @10-11% bodyfat
im also terribly paranoid of gyno and hairloss...
i asked and needto over at EF helped me set out a plan for Epi but now that the katanadrol V2.0 is available im rethinking my options....
- 09-02-2010, 11:59 PM
Katana is a great stacking agent.
Would stack great with epi strong.
And diet is key to fat loss.
- 09-03-2010, 12:01 AM
09-03-2010, 12:02 AM
I would agree that stacking would probably be best.
If you were to run it solo, (katana) you would need 2 bottles.
epistrong or helladrol would stack great with katana. I'd recomend helladrol d/t epi being a dht derivative already.
but either would be great.
09-03-2010, 12:03 AM
Actually katanadrol V2 is supposed to be good on your cholesterol levels meaning it would be wise to stack with any compound and safely.
09-03-2010, 12:07 AM
if i didnt stack it tho, how effective would epi-strong be on its own??
and needto outlined for PCT:
Unleashed/post cycle/forma stanzalolol
im guessing those 3 are all separate products?? and he put ''ed'' after it....what does that stand for??
09-03-2010, 12:09 AM
09-03-2010, 12:12 AM
09-03-2010, 12:19 AM
The more stuff you throw into your PCT the better--overkill in PCT always. Epi standalone will be good for you. I would get a SERM also.
Diet is key for your goal--if you are anything like me, bring down carbs to 100-150 g a day, eat as much protein or fats as you'd like (within reason with fats but don't be scared) and you will shred fat.
And you have good LBM so Epi will help preserve it nicely. Stacking would definitely be better choice, but again, IMO Epi will get the job done at preserving muscle for a cut. I love Epi. Get some now while the buy one get one deal is still on so make a choice!
You already have impressive stats though so looks like you know your stuff
09-03-2010, 12:20 AM
it measured total cholesterol, they reported it lowered total cholesterol, but when you looked at the data, you saw it lowered hdl.
So I hope no one thinks steroids in supraphysiological dosages will help your cholesterol.
09-03-2010, 12:29 AM
ohhhh okay. yes more than a straight up cut tho, id like to recomp and maintain bodyweight but lower bodyfat.
i dont do the heavy bulk/cut routines but rather, since ive been natural my whole life, see it easier to maintain low bodyfat and slowly build all year around.
but this being my first PH ever...i figure a significant recomp wouldnt be so out of the question, no?
09-03-2010, 12:42 AM
If you're eating a calorie restricted diet (not extreme deficit but lower than maintenance) expect to make maybe 1-3 lb gains with Epistane and lots of bodyfat shredded.
Obv up the cals for more LBM mass gains but this will hinder fat loss more and more as you increase cals so stay low and you will shred fat and maybe gain a couple pounds.
09-03-2010, 02:03 AM
the epithio compound in epistrong works wonderfully. I did a epi cut this summer- it turned out to be a recomp lol- I stayed at 212-but kept getting leaner and stronger the entire cycle- I was on a HUGE calorie deficit- good first choice- i always support epistane as someones first cycle
09-03-2010, 11:56 AM
ok so heres the original outline that needto set out for me:
1-4 epi-strong 1 cap 3 times a day
1-4 forged Liver support 2 caps ed
1-4 HCGenerate 5 caps ed spread out.
4-8 Unleashed/post cycle/FORMA-STANOZOLOL ed as directed on the labels
i thought HCGenerate was for PCT, so what would be the purpose in taking durng the 4wk run of epi-strong???
and also, if the epi are dosed at 15mg per pill, 3x a day= 45mg daily. isnt that too much for a first time cycle?? i thought 30mg/day was the typical dosing protocol...
09-03-2010, 12:42 PM
hCGenerate is really highlighted and works great on cycle to minimize shut down and keep your nuts working strong... but you can definitely use it in PCT if you'd like.
I'm guessing you got the Epi-strong Buy on get one... so like I said, don't be scared to push Epi to 60 mg after a week of gauging how you respond to it. I really like it at 60, and many people will tell you 50 is its sweet spot.
09-03-2010, 04:18 PM
40-50mg daily?? :O whoa that sounds high,...and yeah i got the BOGO lol
09-03-2010, 04:47 PM
It's not too high for Epistane. Each compound has its own sweet spot. Hdrol for example needs to be run at 75 mg or even up to 100 mg for some people.
Many will tell you 50 mg for Epistane. So anything around 50 mg will be good.
Start with 45. You've got size on you so don't worry it won't be too much. If you like it at 45 mg, no need to bump it. If you can handle it, and would like to push the envelope, you may go to 60.
Heck, start off at 30 mg if you would really like (doubt you will see much effects)... but IMO, 45-60 will be good for you.
Good deal on the BOGO huh? You're showering in Epistane right now. Me too lol
09-03-2010, 05:30 PM
09-08-2010, 02:28 AM
guys, one last check before i start this week.
so after i run the epi as a standalone for 4wks @ 50-60mg daily
1) post cycle
3) forma stanzalol
all this stuff about serms as standard for PCT has me worried. will the above 3 be enough for PCT or do i still need clomid/nolva??
PS: any recommendations for the best DS to stack with epi??
thanx guys much appreciated!
09-08-2010, 06:48 PM
09-08-2010, 11:01 PM
As for stacking, what are your experience with DS? If this is your 1st run, Epi solo would be fine. Suppose you could throw Katana in with it if you got the $$
09-08-2010, 11:17 PM
and the outline for my epi run, including the PCT and everything was put together by a guy named needto from elitefitness.
and would the katana even be worth it to stack?? i mean i have the money, but for $60 im undecided so far..
09-08-2010, 11:20 PM
09-08-2010, 11:24 PM
but i was just tryin to doublecheck n make sure everythings right before my first run so. lol good to know.
09-08-2010, 11:24 PM
Yea what Beast said... get the SERM just in case. You have time within your cycle to do so. Always have SERMS when dealing with anabolics. Sometimes you won't need them with light cycles, but good to have them always. In this case, you might not need it. But get some anyways.
Cycles also change course. They usually don't full steam ahead as planned. Remember, don't be scared to hit 60 mg with Epi if you feel you can handle it. And try to stay within 45 mg for you. Very sweet results around 50 mg like I said.
09-08-2010, 11:27 PM
you dont need a serm! all you need is the JAY CUTLER ULTIMATE MASS STACK!
09-08-2010, 11:31 PM
09-09-2010, 01:54 AM