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what are the typical gains of deca/test p for 10 weeks be? 500 mg test/week, 400 mg deca/week? used with a bulking diet
when u hear "a lot of muscle", to me, this also means a lot of fat....with that being said, i could see 15-20lbs off this cycle if its ur first or secondgoal is to bulk and gain alot of muscle
Absolutely!!do u think i can kickstart the cycle with anadrol? because i dont have a dbol connect
For sure!do u think i can kickstart the cycle with anadrol? because i dont have a dbol connect
50-100mg for 4-5 weeks, depending on how fast test-e kicks in for you..and for the anadrol at what dosage? and for how long?
If you are gonna up to 400mg, which I would do personally, up the test to 600mg.. Rule of thumb is to have your test base 200mg higher than your progestine..alright. so test e 500 mg/week for 16 weeks
kick start with anadrol 75 mg/week for 5 weeks
deca 300 mg/week for 15 weeks.
do u think its ok to up the deca dosage to 400 mg/week or is that too much
Ya, but let me tell you, if all your gear is legit, and you eat above maintenance, you will have one amazing first cyclealright thanks for your help. all this is gonna be really pricey though lol
Deca you will need about 15 weeks to get results from it. It takes forever to kick in!do u guys think all this is too much for a first cycle? and that i should just stick with 500 mg/ week of test p and 400 mg/week of deca for 10 weeks?
I definitely do. Stick with just a Test E cycle for your first inject run. There's no reason to run 3 new compounds at the same time because you will have zero idea how each of them effects you individually in either a good or bad way.do u guys think all this is too much for a first cycle? and that i should just stick with 500 mg/ week of test p and 400 mg/week of deca for 10 weeks?
Not true. You can easliy distinguish progestin and estrogen related problems. And the type of gains.I definitely do. Stick with just a Test E cycle for your first inject run. There's no reason to run 3 new compounds at the same time because you will have zero idea how each of them effects you individually in either a good or bad way.
Running 3 new compounds at the same time is asinine as he will have zero idea which one is really causing the gains and/or sides.Not true. You can easliy distinguish progestin and estrogen related problems. And the type of gains.
definitely overkill. stick with test solo, and if you are using test p no need for a kickstart either. 500mg of test p is roughly equivalent to 700 or so in test c, which is a significant amount.do u guys think all this is too much for a first cycle? and that i should just stick with 500 mg/ week of test p and 400 mg/week of deca for 10 weeks?
I respectfully disagree..Running 3 new compounds at the same time is asinine as he will have zero idea which one is really causing the gains and/or sides.
the op?5 cycles of PH's down and still not breaking 200 lbs. I think there is an elephant in the room.
Yes, reading does wonders for giving out good advice.the op?
I admit it, I skimmed. But I still stand that test-e alone sucks. At least have an oral kicker..Yes, reading does wonders for giving out good advice.
I admit it, I skimmed. But I still stand that test-e alone sucks. At least have an oral kicker..
But the majority will gain just fine on their first cycle....BUT, u DO have to take into consideration previous oral designer steroid cylces. I have come to the conclusion that is why a vast majority of ppl on this site don't like test only cycles....they don't respond as well as say someone with zero cycles under their belt.test alone sucksssss if you dont respond well!!!! GD
I totally understand that.But the majority will gain just fine on their first cycle....BUT, u DO have to take into consideration previous oral designer steroid cylces. I have come to the conclusion that is why a vast majority of ppl on this site don't like test only cycles....they don't respond as well as say someone with zero cycles under their belt.
Would be easier to explain if I wasn't on mi iPod
The AAS literature is such a small pool of information that it's almost all theoretical based on diminishing returns, myostatin levels, receptor degradation, etc.I totally understand that.
But is there literature to back that up?
So pretty much hearsay and broscience..The AAS literature is such a small pool of information that it's almost all theoretical based on diminishing returns, myostatin levels, receptor degradation, etc.
Great post. The gains also dont come until later on in the cycle so that makes the huge calorie surplus unecessary. Yeah, there's more protein synthesis on anabolics, but with a slow acting ester like enan, youre not gonna see that until after the first few weeks.I think that the problem is that some guys who do a test only cycle after multiple prohormone/designer cycles eat like they did on designers, which blows the cycle. 1.5 lbs/wk in gains on test is about where you want to be, and you want to gain that consistently throught the whole cycle. So you start off at 600 calories over maintenance or so, and then add an extra 100-150 calories to that each week. Most guys instead jump to eating 1000-1500 calories over maintenance, so they add a bunch of fat + bloat up front and then have a harder and harder time continuing to raise calories through the cycle, because they got used to eating that way for 4 week oral cycles.
This was the elephant I was speaking of. Most people that cycle have no clue how to eat to gain or, more importantly, how to eat to maintain.Great post. The gains also dont come until later on in the cycle so that makes the huge calorie surplus unecessary. Yeah, there's more protein synthesis on anabolics, but with a slow acting ester like enan, youre not gonna see that until after the first few weeks.
Think I am on week 5. And I frontloaded.Great post. The gains also dont come until later on in the cycle so that makes the huge calorie surplus unecessary. Yeah, there's more protein synthesis on anabolics, but with a slow acting ester like enan, youre not gonna see that until after the first few weeks.
Yeah I agree. Diet is definitely the hardest part of what we do, and when you have tools like these compounds to help, its even more important. This is why I am opting for a little bit longer of a cycle, so I can really adjust my diet as I need to, and to get the best results I possibly can.This was the elephant I was speaking of. Most people that cycle have no clue how to eat to gain or, more importantly, how to eat to maintain.