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    Help decide my cycle...........


    I have two thirds of a bottle of 1-T Tren trsndermal cream left and a bottle of Havoc arriving tommorrow.

    I am thinking of one of two dosings (but advise on others if you think of better)

    1/ Thinking Tren will help bridge strength gains till the 3rd week when Havoc is reported to kick in so:
    Havoc 20/20/40/40
    Tren 4 pumps ED till it runs out approx 15 days

    2/ More conventional stack cycle for 4 weeks
    Havoc 20/30/30/30
    Tren 2 pumps ED - should last most of 4 weeks

    I am running Cycle Assist for the 4 weeks at 2xcaps 2xED

    PCT planned is:
    Nolva 40/40/20/20
    AI Testopro
    DS Lean Xtreme
    AI Glycobol
    CEE

    Opinions please - and fast I want to start 24-48 hours if all is delivered on time!

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    i would run both for four weeks. havoc and a "tren" was my favorite PH cycle. great gains. personally i think it is better to run a compound for as long as u can, in this case four weeks, instead of doing kind of a blitz. it'll also keep hormone levels somewhat more stable
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    i would run both for four weeks. havoc and a "tren" was my favorite PH cycle. great gains. personally i think it is better to run a compound for as long as u can, in this case four weeks, instead of doing kind of a blitz. it'll also keep hormone levels somewhat more stable
    So how would you dose?

    20/30/30/30 and 2 pumps ED? (Remember I do not have a full quota of Tren)
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    i would do 20/30/30/40. as for the 1-t since u have lets see if i can do the math here...4 pumps x 15 days, so u have about 60 pumps left?

    either 2 pumps a day for 30 days or 3 pumps a day for the last 20 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    i would do 20/30/30/40. as for the 1-t since u have lets see if i can do the math here...4 pumps x 15 days, so u have about 60 pumps left?

    either 2 pumps a day for 30 days or 3 pumps a day for the last 20 days.
    I can obviously only guess on the maths but you can see the bottle contents and it looks like I used about a third before. The label from memory suggests 4 pumps a day = 27 days and 5 pumps 23 - or similar. So with the amout used already I'd say at 4 pumps I would have about 16-19 so 3 pumps should give upto 24days roughly, OR 2 pumps should last the duration.

    You think start Havoc only then add Tren rather than starting with it being that the final week of Havoc should have seen it fully kick in and if up the dose to 40mg last week should be more effective?

    Really unsure best route - thanks for input though :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW390898 View Post
    I can obviously only guess on the maths but you can see the bottle contents and it looks like I used about a third before. The label from memory suggests 4 pumps a day = 27 days and 5 pumps 23 - or similar. So with the amout used already I'd say at 4 pumps I would have about 16-19 so 3 pumps should give upto 24days roughly, OR 2 pumps should last the duration.

    You think start Havoc only then add Tren rather than starting with it being that the final week of Havoc should have seen it fully kick in and if up the dose to 40mg last week should be more effective?

    Really unsure best route - thanks for input though :-)
    yes sir. the otc "trens" i have used have kicked in very quickly. let the havoc build then add it in. would be more effective IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    yes sir. the otc "trens" i have used have kicked in very quickly. let the havoc build then add it in. would be more effective IMO.
    Thanks man.

    So now thinking:
    Days 1-4 Havoc 20mg 1xAM 1xPM
    Days 5-7 Havoc 20mg 1xAM 1xPM Tren 2 pumps
    Week 2-3 Havoc 30mg Tren 3 pumps AM
    Week 4 Havoc 40mg

    How should I dose the Havoc when on 30mg and 40mg. I workout at 19:30 and eat around 18:00 but have read it is not adviseable to take later then 18:00 PH'S as it further shuts you down due to nighttime being natural test main time?
    So how to dose 30mg and 40mg both workout and non workout days?
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    i am always a fan of dosing the highest concentration of a compound before working out. so for 20mgs, take 20mgs before working out. when you go to 30, take 1 in the am and 2 before working out. with 40mgs take 1 in the am and 3 before working out. thats how i did it. it won't interrupt your test at night, don't worry about it. on non workout days, spread it out evenly during the day. for 2 pills: 1 am 1 pm; 3 pills: 1 am, 1 lunch time, 1 pm; 4 pills: 2 am, 2pm
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    i am always a fan of dosing the highest concentration of a compound before working out. so for 20mgs, take 20mgs before working out. when you go to 30, take 1 in the am and 2 before working out. with 40mgs take 1 in the am and 3 before working out. thats how i did it. it won't interrupt your test at night, don't worry about it. on non workout days, spread it out evenly during the day. for 2 pills: 1 am 1 pm; 3 pills: 1 am, 1 lunch time, 1 pm; 4 pills: 2 am, 2pm
    Sounds good advice on the 30mg and 40mg and pre workout - just wondering that first week if when trying to build the compound up in the system waiting to take the full 20mg dose pre workout, leaving 24 hours from the last dose might be an issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW390898 View Post
    Sounds good advice on the 30mg and 40mg and pre workout - just wondering that first week if when trying to build the compound up in the system waiting to take the full 20mg dose pre workout, leaving 24 hours from the last dose might be an issue?
    u should be fine. nothing to worry about really with havoc. its a great compound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW390898 View Post
    I have two thirds of a bottle of 1-T Tren trsndermal cream left and a bottle of Havoc arriving tommorrow.

    I am thinking of one of two dosings (but advise on others if you think of better)

    1/ Thinking Tren will help bridge strength gains till the 3rd week when Havoc is reported to kick in so:Havoc 20/20/40/40
    Tren 4 pumps ED till it runs out approx 15 days

    2/ More conventional stack cycle for 4 weeks
    Havoc 20/30/30/30
    Tren 2 pumps ED - should last most of 4 weeks

    I am running Cycle Assist for the 4 weeks at 2xcaps 2xED

    PCT planned is:
    Nolva 40/40/20/20
    AI Testopro
    DS Lean Xtreme
    AI Glycobol
    CEE

    Opinions please - and fast I want to start 24-48 hours if all is delivered on time!
    I've never heard of Havoc taking 3 weeks to kick in??
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    I've never heard of Havoc taking 3 weeks to kick in??
    A lot of users of Epi claim they dont get strength increases till week 3, thats all I am going off.

    You presumably think otherwise?
  

  
 

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