- 05-21-2010, 11:58 AM
havent been on here for a while
well im planning on doing a 4 week cycle of test prop and 100mg eod for 300mg per week. i want to stack it with epistane since i have had success with it already and know how my body reacts to it. the reason why i chose prop is because the short acting ester will allow me to bail on the cycle as quick as possible if any sides should occur this is my first injectable cycle. the epistane will hopefully cancel out most NOT ALL estrogen and hopefully keep it lean gains. pct will be 4 weeks and i will be taking liquid nolva for 20/20/20/20.
my pct with ph usually consist of a t-booster. do you guys think i should add one just to help give an extra kick in natural test production
p.s -i know that thats not an ideal length for a cycle but since this is my first i just wanna test the waters and see how my body reacts without to much sides
- 05-21-2010, 12:01 PM
oh and i am aware that prop isnt the best choice for first time but i dont want a long acting ester cause if side do show up i would have to wait 2 weeks to start pct
- 05-21-2010, 12:10 PM
05-21-2010, 12:55 PM
05-21-2010, 12:59 PM
First off you need to give it time for people to respond before you keep bumping the thread.
Second, you usually dont start to see any gains with prop until the 4th week. You are really selling yourself short here.
05-21-2010, 01:06 PM
05-21-2010, 01:07 PM
As for your overall cycle, I understand the apprehension about "movign to the darkside" but I would still advise against running a cycle thats probably not goign to yield any results and involves alot of risk taking.
If you start having estro related side effects you absolutely do NOT have to wait 2 weeks to start taking something. I myself run an AI and/or a SERM along side test e for my cycle because im estro sensitive.
Honesly bro, and im not bashing, i dont think you are ready yet. You just signed up last month. Take the summer to browse this site and ask questions. People will help you set up and safe and effective cycle.
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05-21-2010, 01:23 PM
well originally i was planning on running the cycle for 8 weeks. seeing that it was a more realistic cycle but there was a thread that was talking about aas and saying that short cycles= less gains= less sides and i can rebound faster with less supression.
i was gonna run a-dex throughout the 8 week cycle but i figured if i follow those rules on the thread i wouldnt need and AI and that a SERM would be sufficient enough. thanx for the advice im not gonna run it any time soon i just want to figure everything out b4 so i dont just buy the stuff and then ask what do i do
oh and im not really estro sensitive well at least not with ph
05-21-2010, 01:40 PM
Anyway, yes the short cycle has its place but with test prop an 8 weeker offers exponentially greater benefits with little more risk. Even with the 4 weeker you are shutting down the HPTA. Also I recommend having an AI and a SERM on hand, just in case.
Keep me posted on what you decide. The 4 weeker won't be too detrimental but you might be disappointed.
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05-21-2010, 02:02 PM
(what they said) + I wouldnt count on epi to "control" estrogen.... not even a little- its a pro- steroid not an AI or serm. The cases in which people use it to control gyno havnt been proved, and IMO much of that comes from just lowering your bf through a recomp diet and epi.
GL though, ill be watching
05-21-2010, 02:19 PM
Just to add, 100mg EOD is 350 a week. you'll have 7 injections of 100mg every 14 days. And you can start to see prop gains by the end of first week, but it won't be much. You'll still be breaking the law and going through the headaches of a test cycle without really maximizing benefits. Do the 8 weeks, forget the epi.
05-21-2010, 02:36 PM
will keep you posted.
epi has been forgotten
also i would expect that i wont have a high conversion seeing that it is quite a low dose and it runs through your system pretty quick. but.......do you guys think i should lower the dose or just keep it the same.
ive read about people using the first half of the cycle for a bulk and the last half for a cut. what do you guys think about it. IF that is a good idea any dosage recommendations?
or do you guys recommend a different test all together?
thnx for all the help so far guys much appreciated
05-21-2010, 02:55 PM
hey bro - i think the general consensus is to do 8 weeks test pro and drop the epi. As far as the on cycle AI, start the cycle without the AI and if you get nipple sensitivity or excessive bloating then add it in, tritrate onto the dose.
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05-21-2010, 02:58 PM
for the AI i was thinking if i do run it on cycle i could dose it at .5mg eod or
e3d? should it be ran through the pct also?
and if you guys do recommend to cut for the last half of the cycle should i drop the dose to 75mg eod
sorry for the bombardment of Q's
05-21-2010, 03:02 PM
Really tapering is more valuable with higher doses of longer ester products. Prop is all out of your system in 4-5 days tops, so not quite as important. Plus in general gains start to slow towards the end, so lowering it would just make it worse
05-21-2010, 03:09 PM
what about the half bulk half cut?
if so it would look like this bulk only cycle
100mg test prop eod
AI arimadex (anastrozole) .5mg eod if needed
4 week pct- nolva 20mg ed
if half bulk and half cut would look like this
100mg test prop eod
75mg test prop eod
AI would be a must for last half
pct remains the same
05-21-2010, 03:11 PM
05-21-2010, 03:19 PM
Really bulking or cutting is based on calories in plus cardio, not how much in anabolics you use. I'd only run an AI thru cycle if i needed it, all the compounds you put in your mouth have side effects, so using only what you need is best. Arimidex lowers IGF levels, plus causes some small amount of liver strain. Why bother if you don't have excessive estrogen?
05-21-2010, 03:20 PM
Spend some time doing research and then post your questions
05-21-2010, 03:27 PM
05-21-2010, 03:43 PM
1 more question
what do you guys think i would average in gains from this cycle (ball park estimate)
05-21-2010, 03:45 PM
05-21-2010, 05:07 PM
05-21-2010, 05:17 PM
start logging your calories and meals now so you can see what your average diet is (calories, macros of protein, carbs, and fat). You can search the nutritional info online for unpackaged food. Once you start seeing trends in your diet you can fine tune them, and get ready for the hardcore on cycle diet. Even if you try to remember what you eat it will always be more effective to have it on paper... just like workout logs
05-21-2010, 05:26 PM
05-21-2010, 05:30 PM
if your still at 183 lbs... try to take it up to a clean 3500+ if you really wanna see some nice gains. I just ran a cycle (link below) and started right around the weight as you. I took in 4000+ a day and gained a pretty lean 15 lbs.
05-21-2010, 05:45 PM
05-21-2010, 07:52 PM
well been doing a bit more research and ive been reading that doin injections ed will have less sides cause it will keep the blood levels more stable. what do you guys think?
mainly has less acne im not really acne prone but dont want to take the chance.
ed injections will need more sites.
will be using 20g 1.5 needles to draw 23g 1.5 needles to shoot. or do you guys think i should use 25g to shoot.
P.S need help with the injection sites need like 7 or 8 for ed
05-22-2010, 05:39 PM
ok well my source might not be able to get prop.
so what other test would you guys reccommend? and at what dosage?
05-22-2010, 07:29 PM
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