Poll: Which would be the best stack for a cut

ECA, Clen/T3, h drol/furazadrol, or both (hdrol/furaza/t3/clen) for a cut?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Yo darkhalf can i ask why your running it like that, EOD? IMO your only beating the **** out of your heart EOD and giving it a 1 day rest in between. Whats the benefit of that?
    EOD clen/t3

    in between those days SD + ketotifen fumarate to prevent muscle catabolism and keep receptors clear


  2. roch do the clomid at 50/50/50/25
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    roch do the clomid at 50/50/50/25
    so how does my cycle look?
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    so how does my cycle look?
    Like ****. heres an example of how id do it-

    WK 1-8 Clen, 40(ramp up to 160 by day 7)/160/160/160/160/160/160/160
    WK 1-8 T3, 25/50/50/50/50/37.5/25/12.5
    Wk 1-6 Hdrol,50/50/50/75/75/75/100/100

    (remember everything also can stop at your desired tolerence lvl)

    -Ketotifen Every 3rd week = 2mg ED
    -Taurine 4-5g ED
    -Multivitamin
    -Etc...

    -PCT

  5. Btw is the is the ephedrine your using right now the alkaloids or with out?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Btw is the is the ephedrine your using right now the alkaloids or with out?
    primatene
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    primatene
    Alkaloids right? Did u have trouble wit the shipping? What state are you in?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Alkaloids right? Did u have trouble wit the shipping? What state are you in?
    yes, no trouble, california
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    yes, no trouble, california
    Funny cause I live here in L.A. And the ristrictions are so sick. Evm through amazon it says u must sent fax of ID to recieve product. And other sites won't ship to CA. Other than that my sources carry clen/alb, no ephedra though, keeps me wanting to try some that much more!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Funny cause I live here in L.A. And the ristrictions are so sick. Evm through amazon it says u must sent fax of ID to recieve product. And other sites won't ship to CA. Other than that my sources carry clen/alb, no ephedra though, keeps me wanting to try some that much more!
    well yeah bro you have to send your ID. or just go to walgreens and get some.
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    well yeah bro you have to send your ID. or just go to walgreens and get some.
    tried the walgreens, its banned in CA, has been for like the past 3 years. Do u know if the kind u have is pure alkaloids, or just ephedra HCL or HCl?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    tried the walgreens, its banned in CA, has been for like the past 3 years. Do u know if the kind u have is pure alkaloids, or just ephedra HCL or HCl?
    mine is ephedra hcl
    but if im not mistaken its approved by fda so i mean quality has to be good
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    mine is ephedra hcl
    but if im not mistaken its approved by fda so i mean quality has to be good
    Scratch that, just got 60tabs from walgreens. But yea i heard theres a diference between the HCL with a capital and the HCl with a lower case, cant remember exactly what though.. What does your ECA stack look like??

  14. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Scratch that, just got 60tabs from walgreens. But yea i heard theres a diference between the HCL with a capital and the HCl with a lower case, cant remember exactly what though.. What does your ECA stack look like??
    really?, i doubt it man, i mean HCl stands for hydrochloride i mean i dont think it matters if its HCL or HCl.
    im doing 25 E, 200 C, and 81 A twice a day
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    really?, i doubt it man, i mean HCl stands for hydrochloride i mean i dont think it matters if its HCL or HCl.
    im doing 25 E, 200 C, and 81 A twice a day
    In terms of synthetic and natural is the difference, i think HCL is man made, pretty much same value though i guess. How is that stack working out so far? You know you should sub the Asprin for some yohimbe it strengthens the effects, i honestly cant remember why the asprin is needed?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    In terms of synthetic and natural is the difference, i think HCL is man made, pretty much same value though i guess. How is that stack working out so far? You know you should sub the Asprin for some yohimbe it strengthens the effects, i honestly cant remember why the asprin is needed?
    knock your self out

    Aspirin is more than just a pain killer. It has the potential to prevent insulin resistance and enhance insulin sensitivity, especially in obesity.
    This, of course, will help with weight loss.

    Science. 2001 Aug 31;293(5535):1673-7.

    Reversal of obesity- and diet-induced insulin resistance with salicylates or targeted disruption of Ikkbeta.

    We show that high doses of salicylates reverse hyperglycemia, hyperinsulinemia, and dyslipidemia in obese rodents by sensitizing insulin signaling. Activation or overexpression of the IkappaB kinase beta (IKKbeta)
    attenuated insulin signaling in cultured cells, whereas IKKbeta inhibition reversed insulin resistance. Thus, IKKbeta, rather than the cyclooxygenases, appears to be the relevant molecular target. Heterozygous deletion (Ikkbeta+/-) protected against the development of insulin resistance during high-fat feeding and in obese Lep(ob/ob) mice. These findings implicate an inflammatory process in the pathogenesis of insulin resistance in obesity and type 2 diabetes mellitus and identify the IKKbeta pathway as a target for insulin sensitization.

    J Clin Invest. 2001 Aug;108(3):437-46.

    Prevention of fat-induced insulin resistance by salicylate.

    Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Department of Internal Medicine, Yale
    University School of Medicine, New Haven, Connecticut 06536-8012, USA.
    Insulin resistance is a major factor in the pathogenesis of type 2 diabetes and may involve fat-induced activation of a serine kinase cascade involving
    IKK-beta. To test this hypothesis, we first examined insulin action and signaling in awake rats during hyperinsulinemic-euglycemic clamps after a lipid infusion with or without pretreatment with salicylate, a known inhibitor of IKK-beta. Whole-body glucose uptake and metabolism were estimated using [3-(3)H]glucose infusion, and glucose uptake in individual tissues was estimated using [1-(14)C]2-deoxyglucose injection during the clamp. Here we show that lipid infusion decreased insulin-stimulated glucose uptake and activation of IRS-1-associated PI 3-kinase in skeletal muscle but that salicylate pretreatment prevented these lipid-induced effects. To examine the mechanism of salicylate action, we studied the effects of lipid infusion on insulin action and signaling during the clamp in awake mice lacking IKK-beta. Unlike the response in wild-type mice, IKK-beta knockout mice did not exhibit altered skeletal muscle insulin signaling and action following lipid infusion. In summary, high-dose salicylate and inactivation of IKK-beta prevent fat-induced insulin resistance in skeletal muscle by blocking fat-induced defects in insulin signaling and action and represent a potentially novel class of therapeutic agents for type 2 diabetes.

    J Biol Chem. 2003 Jul 4;278(27):24944-50. Epub 2003 Apr 24.

    Aspirin inhibits serine phosphorylation of insulin receptor substrate 1 in tumor necrosis factor-treated cells through targeting multiple serine kinases.

    The hypoglycemic effects of high dose salicylates in the treatment of diabetes were documented before the advent of insulin. However, the molecular mechanisms by which salicylates exert these anti-diabetic effects are not well understood. In this study, we analyzed the effects of aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) on serine phosphorylation of insulin receptor substrate 1 (IRS-1) in cells treated with tumor necrosis factor (TNF)-alpha.
    Phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307, Ser267, and Ser612 was monitored by immunoblotting with phospho-specific IRS-1 antibodies. In 3T3-L1 and Hep G2 cells, phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307 in response to TNF-alpha treatment correlated with phosphorylation of JNK, c-Jun, and degradation of
    IkappaBalpha. Moreover, phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307 in embryo fibroblasts derived from either JNK or IKK knockout mice was reduced when compared with that in the wild-type controls. Taken together, these data suggest that serine phosphorylation of IRS-1 in response to TNF-alpha is mediated, in part, by JNK and IKK. Interestingly, aspirin treatment inhibited the phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307 as well as the phosphorylation of JNK, c-Jun, and degradation of IkappaBalpha. Furthermore, other serine kinases including Akt, extracellular regulated kinase, mammalian target of rapamycin, and PKCzeta were also activated by TNF-alpha (as assessed by phospho-specific antibodies). Phosphorylation of IRS-1 at
    Ser267 and Ser612 correlated with the activation of these kinases.
    Phosphorylation of Akt and the mammalian target of rapamycin (but not extracellular regulated kinase or PKCzeta) in response to TNF-alpha was inhibited by aspirin treatment. Finally, aspirin rescued insulin-induced glucose uptake in 3T3-L1 adipocytes pretreated with TNF-alpha. We conclude that aspirin may enhance insulin sensitivity by protecting IRS proteins from serine phosphorylation catalyzed by multiple kinases.
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  17. I think Y will still be a better substitute - Advanced Fat Loss Discussion (alpha/beta receptors)

  18. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    I think Y will still be a better substitute - Advanced Fat Loss Discussion (alpha/beta receptors)
    yohimbe activates alpha 1 but it also blocks beta 2. so its a give and take plus im out of money and i never noticed sh1t with yohimbe it did absolutely nothing for me so im sticking for aspirin for now but when that runs out i might get some to finish off my ECA/Y. if you care (you probably wont) but im down 8-10 lbs. im pretty happy thought i would tell someone =D
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    yohimbe activates alpha 1 but it also blocks beta 2. so its a give and take plus im out of money and i never noticed sh1t with yohimbe it did absolutely nothing for me so im sticking for aspirin for now but when that runs out i might get some to finish off my ECA/Y. if you care (you probably wont) but im down 8-10 lbs. im pretty happy thought i would tell someone =D
    Blocks Beta-2?? If that was the case then i seriously HIGHLY doubt we'd even see EC&Y as an option. Good to see that your down 8-10lbs but which one is it 8 or 10. Cmon you cant just look in the mirror and tell urself how much weight you lost lol. Btw the reason why the Y is added is to help with the lower body fat more, rather then to just increase the effect of E.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Blocks Beta-2?? If that was the case then i seriously HIGHLY doubt we'd even see EC&Y as an option. Good to see that your down 8-10lbs but which one is it 8 or 10. Cmon you cant just look in the mirror and tell urself how much weight you lost lol. Btw the reason why the Y is added is to help with the lower body fat more, rather then to just increase the effect of E.
    it depends in morning im down 10 and sometimes i weigh my self and im down 8 so depends on the time, idk i have some energy pills with yohimbe maybe ill take it with my E
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    it depends in morning im down 10 and sometimes i weigh my self and im down 8 so depends on the time, idk i have some energy pills with yohimbe maybe ill take it with my E
    Sorry to brake your heart bro, but its called water weight. You retain about 2lbs during your sleep bcuz your not drinking anything so your bodies storing it to keep you hydrated throughout the night, and throughout the next day you drop it. Thats why when you wake up in the morning the first thing you gotta do is take a mean piss. But hey glad to see you lost all your unnessasary water weight. So from here on out it should be all fatloss!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Sorry to brake your heart bro, but its called water weight. You retain about 2lbs during your sleep bcuz your not drinking anything so your bodies storing it to keep you hydrated throughout the night, and throughout the next day you drop it. Thats why when you wake up in the morning the first thing you gotta do is take a mean piss. But hey glad to see you lost all your unnessasary water weight. So from here on out it should be all fatloss!
    10LBS OF WATER WEIGHT?
    no way 10lbs of water isnt that i little much?
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    10LBS OF WATER WEIGHT?
    no way 10lbs of water isnt that i little much?
    No thats actually just right. How was your water intake before? Were you using any creatine? The ephedrine is what made all that water weight drop because of the heat it turns up in your body. When i first begin dieting i usually dont count the weight loss in the 1st week bcuz of this huge misconception. It will boost your cofidence at 1st but throw you waaaay off track later on down the road, and you'll b upset once you notice your only droping 1lbs a week now. Btw did you know we can also carry up to 20lbs of pooh!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    No thats actually just right. How was your water intake before? Were you using any creatine? The ephedrine is what made all that water weight drop because of the heat it turns up in your body. When i first begin dieting i usually dont count the weight loss in the 1st week bcuz of this huge misconception. It will boost your cofidence at 1st but throw you waaaay off track later on down the road, and you'll b upset once you notice your only droping 1lbs a week now. Btw did you know we can also carry up to 20lbs of pooh!
    really well atleast its out of the way now. and yes i was using kre alkalyn im actually still using it to maintain some muscle. dont matter though im gonna keep going...

    eeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuu 20 lbs of poo. lol
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    really well atleast its out of the way now. and yes i was using kre alkalyn im actually still using it to maintain some muscle. dont matter though im gonna keep going...

    eeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuu 20 lbs of poo. lol
    lol yea up to 20lbs but most carry like around 10. have u noticed any bloating with tha Kre?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    lol yea up to 20lbs but most carry like around 10. have u noticed any bloating with tha Kre?
    maybe a little but nothing major
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    maybe a little but nothing major
    Do u notice any conflict between stacking both Kre-Alkalyn and ECA together? Any extra jitters, headaches, higher BP, etc.??

  28. Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Do u notice any conflict between stacking both Kre-Alkalyn and ECA together? Any extra jitters, headaches, higher BP, etc.??
    nope
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.
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