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ECA, Clen/T3, h drol/furazadrol, or both (hdrol/furaza/t3/clen) for a cut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bezoe View Post
    And whats a thermometer gonna do? lol Sphygmomanometers measure blood pressure...
    Maybe he's measuring BP through his a$$???

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    Quote Originally Posted by seunim View Post
    Maybe he's measuring BP through his a$$???
    Haha genius. I was actually thinking about body tempurature at the time. How about the two of you go activate the Photon Accelerator Annihilation Beam on the Transfunctioner. Sphygmomanometers are the only things that have to do wit my a$$.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Haha genius. I was actually thinking about body tempurature at the time. How about the two of you go activate the Photon Accelerator Annihilation Beam on the Transfunctioner. Sphygmomanometers are the only things that have to do wit my a$$.
    hahaha thats classic.. sorry if it was too technical.. i shouldve said BP cuff and dumbed it down a bit..

    really though, putting all that s*** in your body at one time is silly dog... he wants to recomp, not add 10 pounds to his left aorta
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Haha genius. I was actually thinking about body tempurature at the time. How about the two of you go activate the Photon Accelerator Annihilation Beam on the Transfunctioner. Sphygmomanometers are the only things that have to do wit my a$$.
    Okay...nice one. No harm meant bro. lol
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    who thinks this would be a good cut or maybe even a recomp

    hdrol/clen/t3

    or should i add some stano drol? or furaza?
    anybbody know dosage for clomid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bezoe View Post
    hahaha thats classic.. sorry if it was too technical.. i shouldve said BP cuff and dumbed it down a bit..

    really though, putting all that s*** in your body at one time is silly dog... he wants to recomp, not add 10 pounds to his left aorta
    Sick one "aorta"?? Now your seriously trying to add high bp to my brian. lol
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    guys?, need help.
    i wanna run a cut with hdrol/clen/t3
    but idk if i should run 6 or 8 weeks?
    how much t3? how much clen? should hdrol be best at 50/75/75/75/75/75
    or 3 bottles @ 50/75/100/100/100/100/75/50 (8 weeks) along with clen and t3 for the last 6weeks of hdrol cycle
    clomid @ 150/150/100/50?

    any help guys im looking to cut while add some solid lbs of muscle and some strength, i would appreciate any help thanks guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    guys?, need help.
    i wanna run a cut with hdrol/clen/t3
    but idk if i should run 6 or 8 weeks?
    how much t3? how much clen? should hdrol be best at 50/75/75/75/75/75
    or 3 bottles @ 50/75/100/100/100/100/75/50 (8 weeks) along with clen and t3 for the last 6weeks of hdrol cycle
    clomid @ 150/150/100/50?

    any help guys im looking to cut while add some solid lbs of muscle and some strength, i would appreciate any help thanks guys
    I'd go....

    Hdrol 75 for 6 weeks
    T3 50mcg per day

    clen start at 40mcg and work your way up to a level that you can tolerate
    you can do the clen EOD, one week on one week off, or two weeks on two weeks off

    make sure your cals are at maintenance or slightly above for recomp
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    guys?, need help.
    i wanna run a cut with hdrol/clen/t3
    but idk if i should run 6 or 8 weeks?
    how much t3? how much clen? should hdrol be best at 50/75/75/75/75/75
    or 3 bottles @ 50/75/100/100/100/100/75/50 (8 weeks) along with clen and t3 for the last 6weeks of hdrol cycle
    clomid @ 150/150/100/50?

    any help guys im looking to cut while add some solid lbs of muscle and some strength, i would appreciate any help thanks guys
    Id say 8weeks for the clen/t3, cause once your paste 6weeks which is the 2nd week you'll be taking either ketotifen or benadryl, It really wouldnt make sense to stop right there, just go another 2weeks, thats the whole reason keto/benadryl is used to upregulate your receptors for another 2 weeks. And i think the clomids to high and long + wheres the estro blocker?
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    can i run t3 for 8 weeks at 100mcg? (im gonna get a sweet deal on it)
    so hdrol for 6 weeks, clen and t3 for 8 weeks, and then some clomid and some kind of thyroid support?
    is clen EOD at 100mcg good? with benadryl throughout the whole cycle since i already do take it for sleeping
    shoudl i add some stano drol? idk much about clomid anyone know good dosage?
    should i do 3 bottles of hdrol or two? im looking to recomp slightly but mostly cut, i mean im not expecting to add 8lbs while loosing 15lb something more like 6lbs while loosing alot of fat 5-6%
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    I have never run T3 straight, i have read that you should ramp the dose up and back down, not sure on the consequences, but the research i did was pretty consistent on that point. I think 100mcg for 8 weeks will be more than you were bargaining for, that + clen, you'll be dropping weight pretty fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    I have never run T3 straight, i have read that you should ramp the dose up and back down, not sure on the consequences, but the research i did was pretty consistent on that point. I think 100mcg for 8 weeks will be more than you were bargaining for, that + clen, you'll be dropping weight pretty fast.
    i meant t3 and clen along with 3 bottles of hdrol or 2 depends whats best
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    also does liquid t3, liquid clen, or liquid clomid have to be kept refrigerated like IGF-1 lr3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Sick one "aorta"?? Now your seriously trying to add high bp to my brian. lol
    ha glad you caught that. ventricle. gotta stop posting so f***in late at night
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    also does liquid t3, liquid clen, or liquid clomid have to be kept refrigerated like IGF-1 lr3?
    no they dont if youre gonna use them all this year. just put em in a cool, dark space
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    I have never run T3 straight, i have read that you should ramp the dose up and back down, not sure on the consequences, but the research i did was pretty consistent on that point. I think 100mcg for 8 weeks will be more than you were bargaining for, that + clen, you'll be dropping weight pretty fast.
    Yeah but you figure along side hdrol he probably wouldn't see much muscle wasting if any.

    Although 100mcg is extremely excessive ran everyday. If you wanted to run 100mcg of T3 EOD that would be acceptable. I'm actually running T3 at 120mcg + 280mcg clen EOD....no muscle loss and am down 25lbs. Granted I did not start at those dosages either....I started that almost 6 weeks ago and have been slowly ramping up over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Yeah but you figure along side hdrol he probably wouldn't see much muscle wasting if any.

    Although 100mcg is extremely excessive ran everyday. If you wanted to run 100mcg of T3 EOD that would be acceptable. I'm actually running T3 at 120mcg + 280mcg clen EOD....no muscle loss and am down 25lbs. Granted I did not start at those dosages either....I started that almost 6 weeks ago and have been slowly ramping up over time.
    i just want to use it all...im gonna get a bottle of t3 which is 60ml @100mcg/ml so that would be like 2 months at 100 mcgso idk if i want to use it all or save it cuz man im still broke and i dont think i can afford another hdrol or any ph cyce anytime soon so i said to myself why not just go all out. good or bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    can i run t3 for 8 weeks at 100mcg? (im gonna get a sweet deal on it)
    so hdrol for 6 weeks, clen and t3 for 8 weeks, and then some clomid and some kind of thyroid support?
    is clen EOD at 100mcg good? with benadryl throughout the whole cycle since i already do take it for sleeping
    shoudl i add some stano drol? idk much about clomid anyone know good dosage?
    should i do 3 bottles of hdrol or two? im looking to recomp slightly but mostly cut, i mean im not expecting to add 8lbs while loosing 15lb something more like 6lbs while loosing alot of fat 5-6%
    T3 @ 100mcg for 8weeks? Thats kinda over the top bro, honestly the only difference then t3 @ 50mcg and t3 @ 100mcg is a 50% muscle loss differential. That extra 50 is only gonna shed more muscle then fat, but its your call. Also if you ramp down real slow like then theres not really any need for thyroid support because as your slowly ramping down, your slowly recovering simultaneously, so you should pretty much be around 80-100% recovered if done properly. Look on google for studies, its a proven method.

    And as far as the clen EOD, thats pretty pointless cause ppl only do that to prevent down grading of the b2 receptors, but since your adding benadryl then that excludes the purpose of running clen EOD therfore you can just run it straight. I would also look into ketotifen instead as its clinically proven to upregulate and has other benefits aswell, and is mad cheap. I aslo wouldnt advise you take benadryl on a regular bases to sleep, it fuks with your nervous system and could have long term effects, not to mention its effects could possibly be worn out for you just as any other supplement would after dosing for too long

    as far as clomid, idk. But i dnt think it should be high being that your running the hdrol stand alone. So just off of memory id say something like 100/50? But you know clomids more of a testosterone recovery method, i advise you to also have a estrogen blocker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Yeah but you figure along side hdrol he probably wouldn't see much muscle wasting if any.

    Although 100mcg is extremely excessive ran everyday. If you wanted to run 100mcg of T3 EOD that would be acceptable. I'm actually running T3 at 120mcg + 280mcg clen EOD....no muscle loss and am down 25lbs. Granted I did not start at those dosages either....I started that almost 6 weeks ago and have been slowly ramping up over time.
    Yo darkhalf can i ask why your running it like that, EOD? IMO your only beating the **** out of your heart EOD and giving it a 1 day rest in between. Whats the benefit of that?
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    okay so im thinking of doing this now

    hdrol @ 50/75/100/100/100/100/75/50 (3 bottles) or i might do 50/75/75/75/75/75 (2 bottles) opinions on this?

    t3 @ 50/50/100/100/50/50/50/50 (i think im gonna have some leftovers that might just go to waste)
    and then im thinking of doing clenviscerate (eviscerate+clen clan something like 100mcg)
    ill go with benadryl (im using it right now because allergies wont let me sleep and it helps with sleep since right now im on ECA)
    then clomid (i look into dosage later)

    this would be an 8 weeks cycle with maybe 2000 cals even maybe a lil more
    weightraining everyday cardio something like 3-5miles after weightraining like 3-4 times a week
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Yo darkhalf can i ask why your running it like that, EOD? IMO your only beating the **** out of your heart EOD and giving it a 1 day rest in between. Whats the benefit of that?
    EOD clen/t3

    in between those days SD + ketotifen fumarate to prevent muscle catabolism and keep receptors clear
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    roch do the clomid at 50/50/50/25
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    roch do the clomid at 50/50/50/25
    so how does my cycle look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    so how does my cycle look?
    Like ****. heres an example of how id do it-

    WK 1-8 Clen, 40(ramp up to 160 by day 7)/160/160/160/160/160/160/160
    WK 1-8 T3, 25/50/50/50/50/37.5/25/12.5
    Wk 1-6 Hdrol,50/50/50/75/75/75/100/100

    (remember everything also can stop at your desired tolerence lvl)

    -Ketotifen Every 3rd week = 2mg ED
    -Taurine 4-5g ED
    -Multivitamin
    -Etc...

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    Btw is the is the ephedrine your using right now the alkaloids or with out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Btw is the is the ephedrine your using right now the alkaloids or with out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
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    Alkaloids right? Did u have trouble wit the shipping? What state are you in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Alkaloids right? Did u have trouble wit the shipping? What state are you in?
    yes, no trouble, california
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    yes, no trouble, california
    Funny cause I live here in L.A. And the ristrictions are so sick. Evm through amazon it says u must sent fax of ID to recieve product. And other sites won't ship to CA. Other than that my sources carry clen/alb, no ephedra though, keeps me wanting to try some that much more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Funny cause I live here in L.A. And the ristrictions are so sick. Evm through amazon it says u must sent fax of ID to recieve product. And other sites won't ship to CA. Other than that my sources carry clen/alb, no ephedra though, keeps me wanting to try some that much more!
    well yeah bro you have to send your ID. or just go to walgreens and get some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    well yeah bro you have to send your ID. or just go to walgreens and get some.
    tried the walgreens, its banned in CA, has been for like the past 3 years. Do u know if the kind u have is pure alkaloids, or just ephedra HCL or HCl?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    tried the walgreens, its banned in CA, has been for like the past 3 years. Do u know if the kind u have is pure alkaloids, or just ephedra HCL or HCl?
    mine is ephedra hcl
    but if im not mistaken its approved by fda so i mean quality has to be good
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    mine is ephedra hcl
    but if im not mistaken its approved by fda so i mean quality has to be good
    Scratch that, just got 60tabs from walgreens. But yea i heard theres a diference between the HCL with a capital and the HCl with a lower case, cant remember exactly what though.. What does your ECA stack look like??
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Scratch that, just got 60tabs from walgreens. But yea i heard theres a diference between the HCL with a capital and the HCl with a lower case, cant remember exactly what though.. What does your ECA stack look like??
    really?, i doubt it man, i mean HCl stands for hydrochloride i mean i dont think it matters if its HCL or HCl.
    im doing 25 E, 200 C, and 81 A twice a day
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    really?, i doubt it man, i mean HCl stands for hydrochloride i mean i dont think it matters if its HCL or HCl.
    im doing 25 E, 200 C, and 81 A twice a day
    In terms of synthetic and natural is the difference, i think HCL is man made, pretty much same value though i guess. How is that stack working out so far? You know you should sub the Asprin for some yohimbe it strengthens the effects, i honestly cant remember why the asprin is needed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    In terms of synthetic and natural is the difference, i think HCL is man made, pretty much same value though i guess. How is that stack working out so far? You know you should sub the Asprin for some yohimbe it strengthens the effects, i honestly cant remember why the asprin is needed?
    knock your self out

    Aspirin is more than just a pain killer. It has the potential to prevent insulin resistance and enhance insulin sensitivity, especially in obesity.
    This, of course, will help with weight loss.

    Science. 2001 Aug 31;293(5535):1673-7.

    Reversal of obesity- and diet-induced insulin resistance with salicylates or targeted disruption of Ikkbeta.

    We show that high doses of salicylates reverse hyperglycemia, hyperinsulinemia, and dyslipidemia in obese rodents by sensitizing insulin signaling. Activation or overexpression of the IkappaB kinase beta (IKKbeta)
    attenuated insulin signaling in cultured cells, whereas IKKbeta inhibition reversed insulin resistance. Thus, IKKbeta, rather than the cyclooxygenases, appears to be the relevant molecular target. Heterozygous deletion (Ikkbeta+/-) protected against the development of insulin resistance during high-fat feeding and in obese Lep(ob/ob) mice. These findings implicate an inflammatory process in the pathogenesis of insulin resistance in obesity and type 2 diabetes mellitus and identify the IKKbeta pathway as a target for insulin sensitization.

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    Prevention of fat-induced insulin resistance by salicylate.

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    Insulin resistance is a major factor in the pathogenesis of type 2 diabetes and may involve fat-induced activation of a serine kinase cascade involving
    IKK-beta. To test this hypothesis, we first examined insulin action and signaling in awake rats during hyperinsulinemic-euglycemic clamps after a lipid infusion with or without pretreatment with salicylate, a known inhibitor of IKK-beta. Whole-body glucose uptake and metabolism were estimated using [3-(3)H]glucose infusion, and glucose uptake in individual tissues was estimated using [1-(14)C]2-deoxyglucose injection during the clamp. Here we show that lipid infusion decreased insulin-stimulated glucose uptake and activation of IRS-1-associated PI 3-kinase in skeletal muscle but that salicylate pretreatment prevented these lipid-induced effects. To examine the mechanism of salicylate action, we studied the effects of lipid infusion on insulin action and signaling during the clamp in awake mice lacking IKK-beta. Unlike the response in wild-type mice, IKK-beta knockout mice did not exhibit altered skeletal muscle insulin signaling and action following lipid infusion. In summary, high-dose salicylate and inactivation of IKK-beta prevent fat-induced insulin resistance in skeletal muscle by blocking fat-induced defects in insulin signaling and action and represent a potentially novel class of therapeutic agents for type 2 diabetes.

    J Biol Chem. 2003 Jul 4;278(27):24944-50. Epub 2003 Apr 24.

    Aspirin inhibits serine phosphorylation of insulin receptor substrate 1 in tumor necrosis factor-treated cells through targeting multiple serine kinases.

    The hypoglycemic effects of high dose salicylates in the treatment of diabetes were documented before the advent of insulin. However, the molecular mechanisms by which salicylates exert these anti-diabetic effects are not well understood. In this study, we analyzed the effects of aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) on serine phosphorylation of insulin receptor substrate 1 (IRS-1) in cells treated with tumor necrosis factor (TNF)-alpha.
    Phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307, Ser267, and Ser612 was monitored by immunoblotting with phospho-specific IRS-1 antibodies. In 3T3-L1 and Hep G2 cells, phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307 in response to TNF-alpha treatment correlated with phosphorylation of JNK, c-Jun, and degradation of
    IkappaBalpha. Moreover, phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307 in embryo fibroblasts derived from either JNK or IKK knockout mice was reduced when compared with that in the wild-type controls. Taken together, these data suggest that serine phosphorylation of IRS-1 in response to TNF-alpha is mediated, in part, by JNK and IKK. Interestingly, aspirin treatment inhibited the phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307 as well as the phosphorylation of JNK, c-Jun, and degradation of IkappaBalpha. Furthermore, other serine kinases including Akt, extracellular regulated kinase, mammalian target of rapamycin, and PKCzeta were also activated by TNF-alpha (as assessed by phospho-specific antibodies). Phosphorylation of IRS-1 at
    Ser267 and Ser612 correlated with the activation of these kinases.
    Phosphorylation of Akt and the mammalian target of rapamycin (but not extracellular regulated kinase or PKCzeta) in response to TNF-alpha was inhibited by aspirin treatment. Finally, aspirin rescued insulin-induced glucose uptake in 3T3-L1 adipocytes pretreated with TNF-alpha. We conclude that aspirin may enhance insulin sensitivity by protecting IRS proteins from serine phosphorylation catalyzed by multiple kinases.
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    yohimbe activates alpha 1 but it also blocks beta 2. so its a give and take plus im out of money and i never noticed sh1t with yohimbe it did absolutely nothing for me so im sticking for aspirin for now but when that runs out i might get some to finish off my ECA/Y. if you care (you probably wont) but im down 8-10 lbs. im pretty happy thought i would tell someone =D
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    yohimbe activates alpha 1 but it also blocks beta 2. so its a give and take plus im out of money and i never noticed sh1t with yohimbe it did absolutely nothing for me so im sticking for aspirin for now but when that runs out i might get some to finish off my ECA/Y. if you care (you probably wont) but im down 8-10 lbs. im pretty happy thought i would tell someone =D
    Blocks Beta-2?? If that was the case then i seriously HIGHLY doubt we'd even see EC&Y as an option. Good to see that your down 8-10lbs but which one is it 8 or 10. Cmon you cant just look in the mirror and tell urself how much weight you lost lol. Btw the reason why the Y is added is to help with the lower body fat more, rather then to just increase the effect of E.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Blocks Beta-2?? If that was the case then i seriously HIGHLY doubt we'd even see EC&Y as an option. Good to see that your down 8-10lbs but which one is it 8 or 10. Cmon you cant just look in the mirror and tell urself how much weight you lost lol. Btw the reason why the Y is added is to help with the lower body fat more, rather then to just increase the effect of E.
    it depends in morning im down 10 and sometimes i weigh my self and im down 8 so depends on the time, idk i have some energy pills with yohimbe maybe ill take it with my E
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