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    PP's Tren Tabs cyle -review me.


    On cycle: 100mg of tren for 5-6 weeks....
    Supplemented with p5p, vitex and dermacrine LV

    PCT:
    Torem: 120/120/60/60, Sustain Alpha LV, Prime

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    i prob wouldnt run the torem both weeks at 120, just a fairly even taper, 120,90,60,30
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    Quote Originally Posted by T H E O R E M View Post
    i prob wouldnt run the torem both weeks at 120, just a fairly even taper, 120,90,60,30
    Thanks man, I'll keep that in mind.
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    I understand one needs to run clomid for PCT, since it's different kind of gyno with Tren. P5P and Vitex may not be enough. Also, Tren is a major libido killer. I am sure you already know that.
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    p5p and vitex should be fine, but i'd say go for androhard to stack with it instead of dermacrine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    p5p and vitex should be fine, but i'd say go for androhard to stack with it instead of dermacrine.
    what about both?
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    if you're good at controling youre anger, go for it, but i'd pick one.
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    hehe.... thats not an issue. however, libido is.
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    Actually you only need to dose at 120 for two-three days. Torem has an extremely long half-life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwell600 View Post
    hehe.... thats not an issue. however, libido is.
    again, either one will work for keeping your libido while on pro dienolone.


    androhard will have a more hardning effect to add to the already adnrogenic pro dienolone, and help mitigate the progestin sides you get from the 19nor compound.
    dermacrine is a better hormonal stablizer on cycle.

    it's really a toss up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    again, either one will work for keeping your libido while on pro dienolone.


    androhard will have a more hardning effect to add to the already adnrogenic pro dienolone, and help mitigate the progestin sides you get from the 19nor compound.
    dermacrine is a better hormonal stablizer on cycle.

    it's really a toss up.
    What else would you recommend to mitigate progestin-based sides? I have some DS Tren i might run in the future.
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    Bro,

    Good luck. I did 5 weeks of the same tabs. It was a love-hate relationship. I got all the sides, high BP, gyno flare, irritable, low libido. I loved it because of the obvious...great strength gains, dryed me out even on low low cals.

    I was running Vitex and Cycle Assist also. In PCT atm, running Torem at 90/60/60/30. Things are definitely coming back to 'normal'. But I hate being 'normal' !!..Good luck bro.

    BTW I also ran em at 100mg and had to lower the dose to get my sides to subside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    What else would you recommend to mitigate progestin-based sides? I have some DS Tren i might run in the future.
    another non methyl option would be pstanz. I ran it with liquid pro dienolone and didn't get any of the sides i got when i ran pro dien solo.

    also epi would be good.

    any stanolone (dht) clone like stanodrol, or methylmasterdrol v?
    the thing is not all dht based compounds are going to help with the sides, for example, sd may not help, but possibly the one, since it is basically a one step ps to methylated dht.

    all in all, I enjoyed the pstanz/pro dien.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    another non methyl option would be pstanz. I ran it with liquid pro dienolone and didn't get any of the sides i got when i ran pro dien solo.

    also epi would be good.

    any stanolone (dht) clone like stanodrol, or methylmasterdrol v?
    the thing is not all dht based compounds are going to help with the sides, for example, sd may not help, but possibly the one, since it is basically a one step ps to methylated dht.

    all in all, I enjoyed the pstanz/pro dien.
    Weird how class I PHs mitigate the sides from class I PHs. The One and Epi are both class I (correct me if i'm wrong). Just an observation. I was thinking of a epi/tren or hdrol/bold for my next cycle. Just a little concerned with the sides from tren...but i feel like a majority of people have ran epi/tren with great success, maybe Epi's serm like and anti-e like properties contribute to the aforementioned mitigation.
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    the catagorization of class 1/2 steroids, is bro science, and not really true.

    what the steroids i listed are are derivatives of dht, the androgenic steroid. and it is dht that mitigates the progestinic sides.

    it's hard to explain, as pro dienolone has a high androgenic rate. higher than test.

    i would say something like androhard (pro dht) would be better than epi to mitigate sides, but one could use either.
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    I think I have decided to run dermacrine and androhard together.
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    alot DONT have issues with tren or deca Like me for example BUT i would run Sustain Alpha LV threw out the cycle and with pct for boost. pluse the Resveratrol is great for you for helping boost test and lower estro so why the hell not. :-)
    maybe soem t911 for the ol ****
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    the catagorization of class 1/2 steroids, is bro science, and not really true.

    what the steroids i listed are are derivatives of dht, the androgenic steroid. and it is dht that mitigates the progestinic sides.

    it's hard to explain, as pro dienolone has a high androgenic rate. higher than test.

    i would say something like androhard (pro dht) would be better than epi to mitigate sides, but one could use either.
    to digress even further....if the class 1/2 steriods classification is broscience...how did it start? I mean where's the logic there (if any)?

    What it is about DHT that helps mitigate those side effects from 19nor/estra9?
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