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    PH are they worth it?


    I've been a natural bodybuilder for 10yrs, but sadly things are starting to slide. Are prohormones even worth taking? Do you really need PCT?

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    The general view on PCT with hormonal products is yes. But back in the day that stuff didn't exist and Arnold was running 26 week cycles of Deca, D-Bol, and more. People relied on their bodies to recover on their own. So it's up to you on how suppressed you think you are but better safe than sorry IMO.

    Yes they're worth it depending on what you're looking for and what PH's you use. There is a lot of crap out there. CEL has a great reputation especially on this forum. It's the only company I prefer to use.
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    in my experience, they are worth it but holding on to the gains can be difficult. it's kind of like putting a band aid on a gunshot wound, it will help short term but not intended for long term use. if i had to do it all over again I'd go straight to AAS, way more benefits and less toxicity and not difficult to use either.....from what i hear
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    in my experience, they are worth it but holding on to the gains can be difficult. it's kind of like putting a band aid on a gunshot wound, it will help short term but not intended for long term use. if i had to do it all over again I'd go straight to AAS, way more benefits and less toxicity and not difficult to use either.....from what i hear
    Same here... I wouldn't have spent hundreds on PH's that place a lot of strain on your body and produce little results compared to AAS for the same risk of sides. I would have jumped to AAS as well. Test is by far the safest for the body. (risk v. reward) It's been used in medical treatments since the late 30's
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    PHs are good but honestly its pretty hard to maintain the gains in pct you really have to keep calories high and even then the gains still don't seem quite as "solid as AAS gains.

    Epi is by far the best for me. I have a ton of PHS/DSS but I'm switching to gear next time.

    While you may be able to come back without pct I would still do one. If pct is only going to help u then why would u not take advantage ya know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadTobu View Post
    I've been a natural bodybuilder for 10yrs, but sadly things are starting to slide. Are prohormones even worth taking? Do you really need PCT?
    You've been a bodybuilder for 10 years, and you go 6'4" 215lbs?
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    I've been BB/Lifting for 6 years and I'm 205-210... I've been 225. Time doesn't correlate to size. For years I've just wanted to maintain. I don't want to be freaky big so I'm not always trying to get HUGE off something. If he's been BB'ing for 10 years maybe he's referring to his lifestyle not a goal.
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    I believe a select few are worth it. super, phera, and M1T for bulking, and epi and hdrol stack well to recomp. I also use WAY higher dosages than most people on this forum though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    in my experience, they are worth it but holding on to the gains can be difficult. it's kind of like putting a band aid on a gunshot wound, it will help short term but not intended for long term use. if i had to do it all over again I'd go straight to AAS, way more benefits and less toxicity and not difficult to use either.....take it from me..im one juiced up clown and love steroids
    well said there my friend
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    to be honest ph are not worth it. The gains are extremely hard to keep and they put a great deal of stress on the body. if i could go back i would have never touched ph's. aas would be the only way to go if your older than 25 and use the basics like test ect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadTobu View Post
    I've been a natural bodybuilder for 10yrs, but sadly things are starting to slide. Are prohormones even worth taking? Do you really need PCT?
    dude, look into sarms s4. No pct needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkyarddogzz View Post
    dude, look into sarms s4. No pct needed.
    also $$$ and has to be run at a high dose last time I checked. Doesn't seem cost effective.
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    Personally I didn't care for the cylce I tried. I got 3.5 weeks thru H-drol and quit and went into PCT. Lethargy and back pumps were too much despite taking all the support supps and taking some DHEA and Taurine. Pumps got so bad that it made pulling deads almost impossible. Everyone is different, I've seen a lot of logs with great results, I just didn't respond well to it.
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    150 bucks for an 8 weeks worth isn't that bad at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkyarddogzz View Post
    150 bucks for an 8 weeks worth isn't that bad at all.
    I've spent more on cycle for sure, but I'd rather buy 15 amps of Test for my 150 but that's just m.o.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkyarddogzz View Post
    150 bucks for an 8 weeks worth isn't that bad at all.
    SARMS are interesting. But the vision sides weird me out for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n8te View Post
    SARMS are interesting. But the vision sides weird me out for sure.
    only at high doses, run anything at to high of a dose and it can cause issue.

    Viagra, cilalis, Nolva and clomid can cause vision issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EustisPanther View Post
    I've spent more on cycle for sure, but I'd rather buy 15 amps of Test for my 150 but that's just m.o.
    15 amps that shut your body doan and that can cause gyno and acne...

    I hate being shut down and feeling like **** after...but that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EustisPanther View Post
    also $$$ and has to be run at a high dose last time I checked. Doesn't seem cost effective.
    Not to mention most sources of it are fakes.
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    I've never gotten acne, there are drugs for combating gyno and restarting your own hormone production. I'll risk it, and take the gains of AAS over SARMs anyday. But that's me..

    SARMs may prove to be effective for some, but who wants to risk eye damage. You can't say with 100% certainty that any effects to your eyes on cycle are always reversible after cycle? Test is tried and true and is winner in my book !
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    Quote Originally Posted by EustisPanther View Post
    I've never gotten acne, there are drugs for combating gyno and restarting your own hormone production. I'll risk it, and take the gains of AAS over SARMs anyday. But that's me..

    SARMs may prove to be effective for some, but who wants to risk eye damage. You can't say with 100% certainty that any effects to your eyes on cycle are always reversible after cycle? Test is tried and true and is winner in my book !
    your living in the dark ages my brotha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by junkyarddogzz View Post
    your living in the dark ages my brotha!
    how so friend ? did AAS stop working all of a sudden lol ?

    if SARMs are the wave of the future would you like to run a log, posting before/after photos for us to see ? If you did, you might convince that they are better than traditional AAS.
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    hi new to this site i've been lifting naturally since 15 on n off i was taking n o explode walong with weight protein creatine eating right and i realised my body gains up to 2 or 3 pounds a month but i see no definition at all my question is i considered taking pro hormones in the past but feared side effects also i was living in mexico for a while so most products are hard to come by i read about havok do i need to take a post cicle what will happen to my hormone levels im 20 and i believe im low on testosterone would havoc along with eating right n n-o explode b a good idea? if so what do i do after finishing the cicle and what bout my liver
    id really appreciae the advice
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    hi new to this site i've been lifting naturally since 15 on n off i was taking n o explode walong with weight protein creatine eating right and i realised my body gains up to 2 or 3 pounds a month but i see no definition at all my question is i considered taking pro hormones in the past but feared side effects also i was living in mexico for a while so most products are hard to come by i read about havok do i need to take a post cicle what will happen to my hormone levels im 20 and i believe im low on testosterone would havoc along with eating right n n-o explode b a good idea? if so what do i do after finishing the cicle and what bout my liver
    id really appreciate the advice
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    Quote Originally Posted by fidel89 View Post
    hi new to this site i've been lifting naturally since 15 on n off i was taking n o explode walong with weight protein creatine eating right and i realised my body gains up to 2 or 3 pounds a month but i see no definition at all my question is i considered taking pro hormones in the past but feared side effects also i was living in mexico for a while so most products are hard to come by i read about havok do i need to take a post cicle what will happen to my hormone levels im 20 and i believe im low on testosterone would havoc along with eating right n n-o explode b a good idea? if so what do i do after finishing the cicle and what bout my liver
    id really appreciate the advice

    from what it sounds like you should forget about doing any anabolics and stick to what your doing. Wait another year or two- at least! Up your calories, and "weight protein" (=whey?). Before you even think about running anything, do a lot of research. search the steroid/ph you want to do and read every bit of literature on it. You will learn a lot, one thing being that n.o. explode is a waste of money, and deff not needed while on cycle. if you really wanted it, save it for pct. Having said that, research pct, along with necessary support supplements needed for a cycle. GL, do some reading and then put together a nice routine one day and well be happy to critique it.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/250421-trestobol-epi-6-a.html
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    thnx i appreciae the advice im takin about 210 grams o protein no hormones or anything yet
    and for the post cicle therappy i heard post cycle support with 120pills is a good way to go any thoughts on that? and if i were to try out any type of anabolic nothing too strong something to just give me the edge i need and results i can c what should i b looking into and where can i find it ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rampage jackson View Post
    You've been a bodybuilder for 10 years, and you go 6'4" 215lbs?
    Well i used to be 6'4" 260lbs,lol. But im 7-9% BF right now. I want more muscle but its so easy to do pull ups at my current weight.

    Thanks for all the replies i will keep this in mind.
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