m4ohn + 4oht and 1test
- 04-26-2004, 12:57 PM
m4ohn + 4oht and 1test
hey i've been browsing this site for about 8 months and have just read what u guys post...u guys know your ****...but i'm about to start my next cycle...i wanna do sledge's m4ohn and 1test prolly sauce 1 test..but i also have been thinking about putting some 4oht in there...fist off does m4ohn and 1test sound like a decent stack and would putting some 4oht in there have any benefit to it...i know u guys will wants stats on me and what not but i just want a easy answer as to whether this would be a good stack in general? appreciate it
- 04-26-2004, 08:45 PM
- 04-26-2004, 09:10 PM
04-26-2004, 09:41 PM
it should be great for am all around cycle, should harden you up, help in losing fat while getting stronger. depending on ho wmuch 1 test you use you may want to use a little more m4ohn to help out with the lethargy. m4ohn since it seems to help stimulate(not like ephedrine) the CNS without being jittery. i got much less sleep on it and did just fine.
04-26-2004, 11:20 PM
thanks...i think ima try the m4ohn and 2.5 grams of 4oht and 5 grams of 1test in the t-gel..was thinking of just doing 2.5 grams of 1test but it doesnt seem like enough
04-26-2004, 11:21 PM
04-27-2004, 12:26 AM
04-27-2004, 09:22 AM
I was thinking of the exact same thing. I was also wondering if the t-gel should be 2.5g 4oht, 2.5g 4AD, and 5g 1-Test (or maybe fina), since people have stated that the gel can hold 10g of powder. I had very good results with the t-1 version and that was only 2.5g of both 4ad and 1test. I might wait for sledge to come out with the deconate version of the ohn instead of the methyl, although the methyl version doesn't seem to be producing a ton of sides from the logs. The only reason I was thinking of adding the 4AD was to help counter the sides to the 1Test, if ohn and oht are enough to counter the sides it could be dropped.Originally Posted by TUCKER
04-28-2004, 12:08 PM
if i put some 4ad in there with along with the 1test and 4oht, do u think the 4oht would conteract any progesterone problems that may occur with the m4ohn? adding a lil 4ad may be worth it if no progesterone effects would arise, since it is quite cheap...
04-29-2004, 03:00 PM
04-29-2004, 10:13 PM
I don't think it would counteract anything but the possible lathargy and libido from the 1Test. Have you had progesterone gyno before? I was under the impression that m4ohn have very little progesterone activityOriginally Posted by TUCKER
04-29-2004, 10:20 PM
to my knowledge i have had no progesterone problems..i read some where a while ago that 4ad and m4ohn MAY increase progesterone gyno...i think legalgear brought it up, but said something that if it is a transdermal then it may be ok..i just wanna make sure..
05-02-2004, 08:26 PM
Bump on this. I'm thinking about doing the same thing (m4ohn along with a transdermal) and I was wondering if you decided on anything yet.
05-02-2004, 08:37 PM
be careful using an aromatizing compund while using the m4ohn...... non aromatizing compunds would be my reccomendation.
05-02-2004, 09:04 PM
What would you recommend as a transdermal to take along with m4ohn?Originally Posted by nsruffryder34
05-02-2004, 11:59 PM
i decided on getting the t-gel with the 5g of 1test and 2.5 of 4oht and 2.5 of 4ad but i dunno if i'm gonn use the 4ad...keep hearing different things from different pple so i'm unsure on the 4ad still
05-03-2004, 09:26 AM
I think I'm going to run the exact same thing but I'm not going to do the 4ad. How much m4ohn would you run per day and how long should the cycle be? And is Nolvadex sufficient for PCT?Originally Posted by TUCKER
05-03-2004, 11:25 AM
05-03-2004, 06:31 PM
Anyone know what happened to the m4ohn over on Sledge's site? I was just about to place an order and I can't find it anymore.
05-03-2004, 07:07 PM
my guess is that he's sold out! he said that he only had a small amount left last week. dont worry, just wait for his next shipment.Originally Posted by psywzrd
05-03-2004, 10:39 PM
I am sold out for the moment I shoudl have more in about 10-14 days, along with hopefully the tabs.
M4OHN is the active, it requires no conversion so I odnt think that would matter, but I do think that some other companies may have tried to overstate the progesterone activity, they did teh same with MDien and bloodwork shows it isnt and hasnt been a problem even with Super's test level through the ROOF.
If stacking with something that can or does aromatise, as long as you have either nolvadex on hand, you will be fine shoudl anything happen, I dont think there will be a problem, just like di dint think there was a problem with MD and I was right. Let some of the other companies start getting bloodwork for their products.
This is the same type of thing that they do with their M1T, saying NAC protects the liver, bloodwork showed it didnt do ****, the only thing that worked was R-ala.
They feel the need to try to push their products along with a higher price because they have something special in there also, there is nothing in there special.
05-03-2004, 11:08 PM
Is this something that "COULD" happen or something that most likely would happen if being used togetherOriginally Posted by Rogue Drone
05-04-2004, 12:10 AM
05-04-2004, 12:45 AM
thank you...i am happy now that i can put the 4ad in there and get ready to start next monday...oh yea..sledge do i need to shake the m4ohn since its been setting for about 2 weeks?Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
05-04-2004, 07:52 AM
Would m4ohn be a good base for a cycle? It's deca, so one would assume it would be best used stacked.
How do these stacks sound?
1. 6 weeks m-4ohn
2weeks m1t 2 off 2weeks m1t or 2weeks m-4ad
2. 6weeks m-4ohn 4weeks M1,4add from week 3-6
3. 6weeks m-4ohn 4 weeks m-dien week 1-4
or m 5aa week1-2 and 5-6 on workoud days only.
Just some suggestions, don't flame about the methy stacking thing, cos this is supposed to be a stacking 'pro-steriod' is it not?
05-04-2004, 10:31 AM
I'm a little unclear on what would be the best dosage for a cycle I plan to do. I was thinking of 4 weeks of m4ohn along with a transdermal from PowerNutrition. If I get 5 grams of 1-test and 2.5 grams of 4-hydroxy testosterone for my T-gel, is that enough for 4 weeks? And, if so, how much of each am I getting in one "pump"? I was planning on doing 5mg of the m4ohn/day every day and want to make sure I'm using enough transdermal as well.
05-04-2004, 10:44 AM
Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
Doubt it. The enzymatic process is almost instantaneous. So when it happens, its bascially free in an instant to convert more circulating PH. The theory about saturation is just that, theory. Its not a very good one either.
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05-04-2004, 10:45 AM
In a 120ml bottle you would get 5000mg/120ml of 1Test = 41.6mg/mlOriginally Posted by psywzrd
and 2500mg/120ml of 4oht = 20.8 mg/ml
each squirt is 2ml so that would be about 83.2mg of 1test and 41.6mg of 4ad.
1 bottle will last for
1squirt a day would last 120days, 2squirts a day for 60days, 4squirts a day for a 30 days cycle
So you could do 4 squirts a day (2 in the am and 2 12 hours later) giving you a daily total of 332mg of 1test a day and 166mg of 4oht.
I can't remeber the dosing on m4ohn, I think if they say its 10X as strong as anavar then it would be (body weight X .2)/10. For me thats (.2 X 200 )/10 = 4 mg
Does that make sense or am I rambling, damn keto diet has me in a fog.
05-04-2004, 11:08 AM
That actually makes perfect sense to me - the keto diet doesn't appear to be affecting your brain at all . Thanks for the info!Originally Posted by Jeff
Is that 4 squirts/day dose a good amount for a cycle? I'd rather be a little conservative since this is my first cycle using transdermals but I want to make sure I do enough to get results. Also, according to your calculations I would only need around 3.5mg/day of the m4ohn? Would it be really stupid for me to do 5mg/day or is that ok? I'm leaning toward getting 5mg capsules so that's why I'm asking.
05-04-2004, 11:24 AM
Originally Posted by psywzrd
I ran the t1 (2.5g 1 test, 2.5g of 4AD) for my first cycle, stacked with some 1,4 diol orally. It worked fine for me with 4 squirts a day. I think your stack would actually work much better with doubling the 1Test. I like 1Test , I don't get lathargy from it and I do get decent lean gains. Post your progress because I am wanting to give the mohn a go, hopefully I can get some from designersupps when its back on the site.
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