Tren differences & what with it?
- 03-17-2010, 01:49 AM
Tren differences & what with it?
whats the difference between Tren xtreme, Trenadrol, and Tren 75? The impression ive gotten is that Tren 75 is a more potent and superior version than the rest. I dont know though.
Also what should be taken with Tren.. Ive read that Tren does not require a anti estrogen? but know of people who have used Nolvadex anyway. Id just be running 1, 4 week cycle so any side effects I need to worry about?
Ill be taking Milk thistle during the cycle for blood pressure. Ive heard of hair loss too so any suggestions for that?
Height - 6 ft 1
Weight - 190 pounds
- 03-17-2010, 04:23 AM
Milk thistle is for your liver, hawthorn berry helps moderate blood pressure. Theres a good sticky thread at the top of this forum about hair loss.
- 03-17-2010, 08:43 PM
oh yea my bad. im taking fenugreek seeds for BP and milk thistle for the liver. and k thanks. but do you know if there is a significant difference between tren extreme, trenadrol, and tren 75?
Also, is nolva to be ran during and after the cycle? ive heard that a test is needed during.
03-17-2010, 09:01 PM
Do you mean the Tren 75 sold on roidstore?
03-18-2010, 12:18 AM
yes. not where I orignally found it but thats the exact same one. do you have any answers or suggestions for me?
03-18-2010, 12:54 AM
Pretty sure the products sold at roidstore are total scams.
03-18-2010, 01:23 AM
03-18-2010, 02:34 AM
whats the diffenece betwen the 2 compounds 19 nor and estra 4,9 diene they both look similiar but start different like x-tren and pheramass stack tren???
03-18-2010, 04:49 AM
glad thats not where i was looking then..know of any good legit sites than? and what!! i thought nolva was an anti estrogen and the whole point of it was to reduce gyno ?
03-18-2010, 03:33 PM
It's not an anti-estrogen, it just inhibits estrogen to binding to receptors in your breasts. Your estrogen levels stay the same, but the SERM prevents/reverses gyno. SERMs may actually increase estrogen through aromatase. Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't want to spread around any false info.
BTW, can't ask for sources.
03-18-2010, 03:45 PM
Don't use nolva with tren products. And do more research.
03-18-2010, 06:24 PM
Tren 75 "Finabolan" Not sure of what is in it, but most tren compounds were a 19 Nor, AKA Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione AKA 19-Norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione.
All the same and banned as of 01/04/10
As far as buying them online. I would not trust it. More then likely junk, and a waste of cash. I have seen that tren 75 going for close to $100. That's nuts!
If you do have left over pre ban tren there are some sides that can come up. Check my log from last year. There is a chance you will run into some prolactin side fx.
As I did.
03-18-2010, 08:25 PM
03-18-2010, 08:36 PM
ive done tons of research man and it always leads to me same conclusion.. should i use nolva or clomid for tren? do i need a test? everyone has different opinions and answers so its confusing as ****.. i have a friend who ran tren and he used toco-8 and sustain alpha for pct. but what about gyno?
ill also have a liver, prostate, blood pressure, and maybe joint supplements involved in the cycle as well.
03-18-2010, 08:46 PM
Tren doesn't aromatize. Any "gyno" you get from tren will be progesterone related. Nolva or clomid is fine for PCT, but never ON cycle as a gyno prevention.
03-20-2010, 05:20 AM
03-20-2010, 02:27 PM
alright well i think im going to take alpha sustain and toco-8 for pct and if i see signs of gyno ill get a anti estrogen... think thatd be ok?
03-20-2010, 02:37 PM
clomid the pct for tren...but if u don'tknow that...put the tren away for awhile and research until your ready
I Force Anabolic Minion, Eat, Train, Grow
03-20-2010, 03:08 PM
03-20-2010, 04:32 PM
03-20-2010, 04:48 PM
03-20-2010, 08:15 PM
Sustain 0/0/1/1/1/1 Or a different natty Test Booster
Toco-8 thru cycle and into PCT
Cort COntrol Optional I.E. X-lean, reduce XT, Suppress C, Lean FX
03-20-2010, 09:10 PM
when ive researched im yet to hear anything bad about the 2 however with nolva and clomid everyone has different opinions.
03-20-2010, 09:12 PM
03-20-2010, 09:42 PM
Sustain alpha is a test/libido booster. clomid and sustain is fine but sustain with no serm=fail, tits, loss of gains, no boners etc.
03-20-2010, 10:02 PM
03-20-2010, 10:09 PM
03-20-2010, 10:50 PM
I Force Anabolic Minion, Eat, Train, Grow
03-20-2010, 10:51 PM
03-20-2010, 10:53 PM
03-20-2010, 10:54 PM
03-20-2010, 11:41 PM
That may answer some of your questions.[/quote]
thanks it helped however is still leaving to the question lol. do i need clomid? i hear its not needed for tren or deca because of various reasons and then i hear it is a must.
I think i have everything covered in PCT except a SERM
my PCT consists of :
Sustain Alpha - libido/test
Milk thistle - liver
fenugreek seeds - blood pressure
saw palmetto - prostate
taurine - bad cramps
might get toco-8 for hair loss prevention and increased testosterone
and possibly triflex joint support
im taking everything and its mother so this cycle can only benefit me.. but what about a SERM..... gyno scares me lol
03-21-2010, 12:05 AM
03-21-2010, 12:15 AM
03-21-2010, 12:21 AM
03-21-2010, 12:26 AM
03-22-2010, 12:07 AM
so do i need an AI or SERM for pct with tren? or do i have it all covered?(listed above)
03-22-2010, 12:39 AM
first off, anything from the roid store is a scam, and basically over priced vitamins and herbs, with no hormones or steroids in it.
all you need too run a good cycle of pro dienolone is a solid product from a reputable company. the first two you listed will work.
run it at 2 caps each day for 4 weeks.
possibly have some dhea.
pro dienolone is not a progestin. it is a nandrolone based compound, and once converted, becomes a steroid two molecules different from the steroid trenbolone. the body isn't capable of making the conversion from dienolone into trenbolone. but dienolone is in a nutshell, weaker trenbolone. they are different compounds, but only slightly.
pro dienolone binds to the androgen receptor as any steroid does, and is incapable of aromatization, but does act on the progestin receptor, and due to this, may enhance estrogenic side effects.
despite the bro science, gyno is cause by multiple hormone imbalences in the body, not one. it is a mix of things like estrogen, prolactin, igf1, hgh, test, etc, with all being out of wack, due to disrupting the balance with a steroid.
sure, some things like anti prolactins, or anti estrogens, even dry steroids may help symptoms of gyno, but the reason it helps some and not others, is most likely because one of these was more so out of wack than the other, and blocking, or adding something in was all that was needed to help the shift. But without proper blood test, it's basically like throwing darts at a target blind folded, and hoping you get a hit.
tren can be ran solo for 4 weeks fine.
pct can be something like the tr stack from pp.
if your more worrisome, nolva will do fine by itself, or with a test booster like sustain alpha, w/e.
cycles dont have to be complicated, and someone such as the op, with little to zero research can get by with a simple cycle like this. but when sides arise, this will be where research come into play.
03-22-2010, 11:48 PM
thanks jbryan that post was solid as **** lol.. so now that im not paraniod you think my list for PCT should be fine since its a simple 4 week cycle?
03-23-2010, 01:29 PM