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  1. newbie2bb
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    anyone suggestions of a routine.

    was thinking 5/3/1 method ... suggestions ?


  2. This might help

    Keepin it simple Wendler 5-3-1 Log

    Side note
    I'm still doing the stanky leg for some reason
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid? View Post
    This might help

    Keepin it simple Wendler 5-3-1 Log

    Side note
    I'm still doing the stanky leg for some reason


    hahah stanky leg...will be reading it tonight! thanks ..

  4. It doesn't sound to me like your really even ready to do any kind of cycle. How long have you even been training? If you are going to jump in you would be a fool to stack anything. Just run the epi at 20 20 30 30 and you will get good gains being it's your first ph cycle. I think your plan is going to get you hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sw bill View Post
    It doesn't sound to me like your really even ready to do any kind of cycle. How long have you even been training? If you are going to jump in you would be a fool to stack anything. Just run the epi at 20 20 30 30 and you will get good gains being it's your first ph cycle. I think your plan is going to get you hurt.
    i been training for 3 years and suffered an injury last year and maiking my way back. The name newbie2bb is what i am on other forums so i didnt feel the need to change it . I figured people would see the wisdom i have by the fact that i listen and follow instructions of other and my mentors and how i conduct myself in the forums and thru other methods. I would also like to remind you that there are other people out there illlegal doing this and much crazier stuff.You should at least give credit to the fact that i am weighing all options and been flat out honest of who i am and then being a learner. I also have aligned myself with people who have been in the buisness and taking far harsher cycles than i am and will follow there foot steps... but thanks you
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    Exclamation The results


    Due to the overwhelming cries of the forum. We have decided (others weighed in) that we will stick with this formula for now HOWEVER LOWERING HAVOC . and run 4 weeks of 20mg on the havoc and m-drol. Deemed that some were voicing that 30 mg was too much for a first stack. Hence now a new plan. Workout plan is going to be started the day of training on monday.

    what i will be doing is 3 full body work outs a week. I will be hitting the major 3: bench , squats and deads twice a week. then middle day accessory work. I also will be adding some joint support into the mix .
    Suggestions for joint support? Cirrus i have heard or is there a cheaper way? glucosamine plus _________?

    -------But thanks to all who weighed in and all factors was considered . now on to the workouts and progress !!!----

  7. Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid? View Post
    I'd run one alone then pct and a month to be free as a bird then run epi and pct, trust me you dont want two methyls...
    not tryin to jack the thread but don't you mean run one compound alone, pct, then 2 months to be free as a bird?

    Cycle+PCT= Time off

    Correct?

    I've read and be taught that the number of weeks on cycle and weeks of PCT equals how much time you need to take off before doing another hormone. Though, I sometimes question this b/c if I recover quickly after a month of PCT from a 6 wk cycle of Hdrol for example, why should I wait the 10 weeks after to take another steroid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsr08 View Post
    not tryin to jack the thread but don't you mean run one compound alone, pct, then 2 months to be free as a bird?

    Cycle+PCT= Time off

    Correct?

    I've read and be taught that the number of weeks on cycle and weeks of PCT equals how much time you need to take off before doing another hormone. Though, I sometimes question this b/c if I recover quickly after a month of PCT from a 6 wk cycle of Hdrol for example, why should I wait the 10 weeks after to take another steroid?
    I actually am double stacking this.
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    OK gang i added

    Animal Flex

    joint supports so i don't dry out
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    Thumbs up The work outs !! 3 full bodies .


    here it is .. I tried to lay it out for any first timers viewing logs . make it easy to read.

    Workout A (done on mondays and fridays )

    Barbell Bench Press (chest)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Barbell Row (Back)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Overhead Press Barbell (shoulders)
    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Dips (triceps)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    E-z curl Barbell curl (biceps)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Squats Barbell (quads)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Deadlifts Barbell (Hamstrings)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Seated calf raises (calves)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3xfailure=


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    Workout B (done on weds )

    Incline Dumbbell Flys (chest)
    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Chin ups (Back)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Arnold Press dumbbell (shoulders)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Skull crushers (triceps)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Overhead cable curl (biceps)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Leg Press (quads)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Lying Leg Curl (Hamstrings)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3x5=

    Standing calf raises (calves)

    warm-up
    2x5=
    1x5=
    work-sets
    3xfailure=


    There u go ...thats what i will be doing ..so full swing tomorrow !!!
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    Post Dosing cycle and times for newbies to see


    Dosing cycle/ Timing (for those curious)


    Supplement/dose taking.....tablets.......... time dosing

    Havoc/20mg................... 2 tabs............ 6am /5pm

    M-drol/20mg.................. 2 tabs............. 6am/ 5pm


    Animal pack/ 1 per day.....1 per day..........8a

    Hawthorn/1g..................2 tab=1g............11:15a/2p (1 tab per dose)

    Alpha lipoic/600mg..........1 tab=600mg.......11:15a/2p (1/2 tab per dose)

    fish oil/8g......................1 tab=1g.............8a/11:15a/2p/4pm (2 tabs per dose)

    Taurine/7g.....................2 tabs=1g............8a/11:15a/2p/4pm (4 tabs per dose)

    BCAA /6 per day..............6 per day............8a/11:15a/2p/4pm (2 tabs per dose)

    vitamin c/4g....................2 tab=1g.............8a/11:15a/2p/4pm (2 tabs per dose)


    Pancreatin/4 tabs a day.....4 tabs a day........8a/11:15a/2p/4pm

    (digestive enzymes) just added its new


    hope this help those making cycles and what its all about ..reading planning and execution.
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    Thumbs up first workout


    Workout A

    Barbell Bench Press (chest)
    warm-up
    2x5=95
    1x5=120
    work-sets
    3x5= 2x5=150 then 3x3=150 pounds (stay)

    Squats Barbell (quads)
    warm-up
    2x5=110
    1x5=150
    work-sets
    3x5=190 (stay)

    Overhead Press Barbell (shoulders)
    warm-up
    2x5=65
    1x5=85
    work-sets
    3x5=105 pounds (stay)

    Barbell Row (Back)
    warm-up
    2x5=70
    1x5=95
    work-sets
    3x5=120 pounds (stay)

    Deadlifts Barbell (Hamstrings)
    warm-up
    2x5=125
    1x5=175
    work-sets
    3x5=215 pounds

    Dips (triceps)

    warm-up
    2x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @7(34 pounds)=2x5
    1x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @6(28 pounds)=1x5
    work-sets
    3x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @5(22 pounds)=3x5 --lower assistance next time

    E-z curl Barbell curl (biceps)
    warm-up
    2x5=40
    1x5=50
    work-sets
    3x5=60 pounds (go up)

    Seated calf raises (calves)

    warm-up
    2x5=90
    1x5=115
    work-sets
    3xfailure=2x4=120,1x5=120

    Good workout ...took 1 hour 10 min. mostly due to stacking weights and proper rest to recoop a little. Most have to stay cause either next time will totally fail on reps so will do same routine to build strength to hit it harder next time workout A comes along. but will gauge it in the gym. Seat calf raise felt odd gong to look for a machine cause of fact i dont think the machine i was on did full range . Other than that diet and the dosing schedule is on que. and making sure i do it ! So day 1 is down.
  13. newbie2bb
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    Sides ..

    told you this would be an unbias very honest log .

    day 1::
    on the Havoc/M-drol. I experienced a massive headache...trust me it was migrane status for those that have had them. Now i took one alieve and it was gone. So no big deal.

    Day 2:
    Havoc/Mdrol didnt wanna exprience the same massive headache so hence took 1 dose extra of hawthorn berries extract and no headache. so very please about that. and before those ask yes i did alot of water a day. believe me

    Also very lathargic during the days. Not sure why but alot have experienced it so something u can push thru. so no worries. and to answer i take in enuf carbs and diet on cue when i take them . just happens i guess.

    any tips or what to take to wake up? ...for me i drank a coke and was fine rest of day.

    and yes i got enuf sleep 7 hours.

    other than that nothing to worry about so far.


    peace u all and thanks for reading

    thought about doin cardio but i decided no due to fact i wanna build mass up

  14. Alright please don't take this wrong, there is no way I can say it without sounding like ass but I think it needs to be said.
    I said I didn't think you were ready for steroids and you answer was you have been lifting for 3 years and that I don't know anything about you. I think the fact that after 3 years of training and your not even close to benching your body weight proves you don't have your training in check. Not saying that benching is the holy Grail cause how much you bench doesn't mean **** but you lift stats does give us a idea of how you train.
    Your stacking 2 fairly strong methy compounds, your gonna have sides like head aches, I don't care how much hb you take it's going to happen.
    I am surprised you are have lethargy all ready but if you are this quick then get ready for it to get worse. Definently add in some dhea to fight it. I really like PP's dermacrine for this but that is another ph so I don't now it that would be the best for you since your already taking 2 at once, maybe others can chime in on that.
    Honestly I am not tring to bash you or discourage you. I am just tring to help out where I can. I did things wrong enough when I started out but thanks to the helpful people on AM I got on track.
  15. newbie2bb
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    Quote Originally Posted by sw bill View Post
    Alright please don't take this wrong, there is no way I can say it without sounding like ass but I think it needs to be said.
    I said I didn't think you were ready for steroids and you answer was you have been lifting for 3 years and that I don't know anything about you. I think the fact that after 3 years of training and your not even close to benching your body weight proves you don't have your training in check. Not saying that benching is the holy Grail cause how much you bench doesn't mean **** but you lift stats does give us a idea of how you train.
    Your stacking 2 fairly strong methy compounds, your gonna have sides like head aches, I don't care how much hb you take it's going to happen.
    I am surprised you are have lethargy all ready but if you are this quick then get ready for it to get worse. Definently add in some dhea to fight it. I really like PP's dermacrine for this but that is another ph so I don't now it that would be the best for you since your already taking 2 at once, maybe others can chime in on that.
    Honestly I am not tring to bash you or discourage you. I am just tring to help out where I can. I did things wrong enough when I started out but thanks to the helpful people on AM I got on track.
    i appreciate your help ..that i do . and again i realize the place ur coming from and not just the words that you wrote but i appreicate ur advice and will look into dhea and again I take the good and bad. However maybe from here on out you can focus on encourage me , even in the lifts that don't measure up to your standard but are PR's from me. We all start somewhere . at least i am doing it wisely and listening to other people as well as incorperating their ideals and wisdom.
    Again I may be that person you say later on you know what . He knew his stuff ..he was honest. he did what he believed and he did it safely and took all precautions and he was on his first .would it be my choice of stacks,,no but he got guidance and learned all he could and followed all advice. and then out of habit i gain ur respect and i gain someone who says to another newbie go look at his log. thats how u do it.
    and in the end u realize ...I followed my heart and did my best ..and for those out there i log'd the results.

    For me its not gettin hoooge...its the journey to do something most say dont . or i cant. Not to prove them wrong but prove it can be done right. and thats how i live my life


    P.s I know ur my biggest fan and i thank u for the support


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  16. See I knew it would sound wrong. I certainly was not tring to knock on your lifts, mine ain't nothing to brag about for sure.
    Anyway I'm subbed and along for the ride. Stay focused and you will get where you want to go.
  17. newbie2bb
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    Quote Originally Posted by sw bill View Post
    See I knew it would sound wrong. I certainly was not tring to knock on your lifts, mine ain't nothing to brag about for sure.
    Anyway I'm subbed and along for the ride. Stay focused and you will get where you want to go.
    your fine i did not take it as slamming me at all. i took it as an oppertunity to grow and just do what i came here to do ..Learn, Lift, and Grow ..


    P.S.S-- tell ur friends to sub ..and rep

  18. Okay I have to chime in again. Much like the other guy already brought up... It is VERY obvious from your lifts you are no where near at the point to consider using aas. If you have been training for as long as you say and those are the weights u use something is majorly off. You really need to stop and reasses everything. You will gain strength and some weight but it's obvious you will have no clue how to keep it once the cycle is over. Plus you are taking a fairly potent stack. IMO this is not a good idea. Sorry don't mean to sound like a Debbie Downer but you are 110% not ready to use aas.
  19. newbie2bb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    Okay I have to chime in again. Much like the other guy already brought up... It is VERY obvious from your lifts you are no where near at the point to consider using aas. If you have been training for as long as you say and those are the weights u use something is majorly off. You really need to stop and reasses everything. You will gain strength and some weight but it's obvious you will have no clue how to keep it once the cycle is over. Plus you are taking a fairly potent stack. IMO this is not a good idea. Sorry don't mean to sound like a Debbie Downer but you are 110% not ready to use aas.
    thank you and appreciate you stopping in . I respect your opinion but i have set my path already and wont go back. and hopefully u will be along for the journey. as far as keeping the gains i hope you are there so i can progress in another step.
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    Workout B

    Incline Dumbbell press (chest) 0pps will do flys next time
    warm-up
    2x5=35
    1x5=40
    work-sets
    3x5=45 Pounds

    Chin ups (Back) assisted machine
    warm-up
    2x5= all 2x5 done @7 assisted (34#)
    1x5=1x5 done @6 assisted (28#)
    work-sets
    3x5=all 3x5 done @ 5 assisted (22#) Go up aka less asst.

    Arnold Press dumbbell (shoulders)
    warm-up
    2x5=25
    1x5=30
    work-sets
    3x5=35 pounds (go up) *first time doing*

    Skull crushers (triceps)
    warm-up
    2x5=30
    1x5=40
    work-sets
    3x5=50 pounds

    Overhead cable curl (biceps)
    warm-up
    2x5=30
    1x5=40
    work-sets
    3x5=1x50 pounds
    2x40 pounds (go up)

    Leg Press (quads)
    warm-up
    2x5=225
    1x5=315
    work-sets
    3x5=335 pounds (go up a bit )

    Lying Leg Curl (Hamstrings)
    warm-up
    2x5=70
    1x5=90
    work-sets
    3x5=100 pounds (go up)

    Standing calf raises (calves)
    warm-up
    2x5=130
    1x5=150
    work-sets
    3xfailure=1x10=170
    1x9=170
    1x9=170 pounds

    Done pretty good today . real focus'd . Will say that first time doing arnold presses and due to shoulder issues in past working up to it . but felt real good workout. Only thing is skull crunchers . I might goto overhead cable next time still debating.
    I think i am going to start doing some cardio next week on days off so i can slim down a tad. I wanna see abs somehow lol . Chin ups are coming along being i really really suck on them. chins and dips are my huge problem areas but working on them so only expect the best .

  21. Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    OK gang i added

    Animal Flex

    joint supports so i don't dry out
    good choice the stuff is great
    Eat clean, piss dirty
  22. newbie2bb
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    good choice the stuff is great
    Omgosh where has it been all my life. its bar none . i used to have shoulder pain adn also knee pain day 3 and nothing. i dont even feel it when i squat or over head press.


    thanks for stoppign in appreciate the support

    hey what would u take for gettin tired mid day? i bought some dhea but doesnt seem to work thus far will try it more but wondering

  23. Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    Omgosh where has it been all my life. its bar none . i used to have shoulder pain adn also knee pain day 3 and nothing. i dont even feel it when i squat or over head press.


    thanks for stoppign in appreciate the support

    hey what would u take for gettin tired mid day? i bought some dhea but doesnt seem to work thus far will try it more but wondering
    yea stuff is a lifesaver, its the one supplement i cant do with out and @ $18.95 for 44 day supplu thats 0.43c a day
    Eat clean, piss dirty
  24. newbie2bb
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    so far almost the weeks end . but dang . i must say my chest and whole body parts are like hard as a rock. i mean i feel like i am flexing all the time. even a friend was like dang spence ur filling out. u selling tix's...(a gunshow joke). even though i am not huge i feel huge! loving it

  25. Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    so far almost the weeks end . but dang . i must say my chest and whole body parts are like hard as a rock. i mean i feel like i am flexing all the time. even a friend was like dang spence ur filling out. u selling tix's...(a gunshow joke). even though i am not huge i feel huge! loving it
    keeping ur gains is the trick
    Eat clean, piss dirty
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