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    See I knew it would sound wrong. I certainly was not tring to knock on your lifts, mine ain't nothing to brag about for sure.
    Anyway I'm subbed and along for the ride. Stay focused and you will get where you want to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sw bill View Post
    See I knew it would sound wrong. I certainly was not tring to knock on your lifts, mine ain't nothing to brag about for sure.
    Anyway I'm subbed and along for the ride. Stay focused and you will get where you want to go.
    your fine i did not take it as slamming me at all. i took it as an oppertunity to grow and just do what i came here to do ..Learn, Lift, and Grow ..


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    Okay I have to chime in again. Much like the other guy already brought up... It is VERY obvious from your lifts you are no where near at the point to consider using aas. If you have been training for as long as you say and those are the weights u use something is majorly off. You really need to stop and reasses everything. You will gain strength and some weight but it's obvious you will have no clue how to keep it once the cycle is over. Plus you are taking a fairly potent stack. IMO this is not a good idea. Sorry don't mean to sound like a Debbie Downer but you are 110% not ready to use aas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    Okay I have to chime in again. Much like the other guy already brought up... It is VERY obvious from your lifts you are no where near at the point to consider using aas. If you have been training for as long as you say and those are the weights u use something is majorly off. You really need to stop and reasses everything. You will gain strength and some weight but it's obvious you will have no clue how to keep it once the cycle is over. Plus you are taking a fairly potent stack. IMO this is not a good idea. Sorry don't mean to sound like a Debbie Downer but you are 110% not ready to use aas.
    thank you and appreciate you stopping in . I respect your opinion but i have set my path already and wont go back. and hopefully u will be along for the journey. as far as keeping the gains i hope you are there so i can progress in another step.
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    Workout B

    Incline Dumbbell press (chest) 0pps will do flys next time
    warm-up
    2x5=35
    1x5=40
    work-sets
    3x5=45 Pounds

    Chin ups (Back) assisted machine
    warm-up
    2x5= all 2x5 done @7 assisted (34#)
    1x5=1x5 done @6 assisted (28#)
    work-sets
    3x5=all 3x5 done @ 5 assisted (22#) Go up aka less asst.

    Arnold Press dumbbell (shoulders)
    warm-up
    2x5=25
    1x5=30
    work-sets
    3x5=35 pounds (go up) *first time doing*

    Skull crushers (triceps)
    warm-up
    2x5=30
    1x5=40
    work-sets
    3x5=50 pounds

    Overhead cable curl (biceps)
    warm-up
    2x5=30
    1x5=40
    work-sets
    3x5=1x50 pounds
    2x40 pounds (go up)

    Leg Press (quads)
    warm-up
    2x5=225
    1x5=315
    work-sets
    3x5=335 pounds (go up a bit )

    Lying Leg Curl (Hamstrings)
    warm-up
    2x5=70
    1x5=90
    work-sets
    3x5=100 pounds (go up)

    Standing calf raises (calves)
    warm-up
    2x5=130
    1x5=150
    work-sets
    3xfailure=1x10=170
    1x9=170
    1x9=170 pounds

    Done pretty good today . real focus'd . Will say that first time doing arnold presses and due to shoulder issues in past working up to it . but felt real good workout. Only thing is skull crunchers . I might goto overhead cable next time still debating.
    I think i am going to start doing some cardio next week on days off so i can slim down a tad. I wanna see abs somehow lol . Chin ups are coming along being i really really suck on them. chins and dips are my huge problem areas but working on them so only expect the best .
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    OK gang i added

    Animal Flex

    joint supports so i don't dry out
    good choice the stuff is great
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    good choice the stuff is great
    Omgosh where has it been all my life. its bar none . i used to have shoulder pain adn also knee pain day 3 and nothing. i dont even feel it when i squat or over head press.


    thanks for stoppign in appreciate the support

    hey what would u take for gettin tired mid day? i bought some dhea but doesnt seem to work thus far will try it more but wondering
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    Omgosh where has it been all my life. its bar none . i used to have shoulder pain adn also knee pain day 3 and nothing. i dont even feel it when i squat or over head press.


    thanks for stoppign in appreciate the support

    hey what would u take for gettin tired mid day? i bought some dhea but doesnt seem to work thus far will try it more but wondering
    yea stuff is a lifesaver, its the one supplement i cant do with out and @ $18.95 for 44 day supplu thats 0.43c a day
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    so far almost the weeks end . but dang . i must say my chest and whole body parts are like hard as a rock. i mean i feel like i am flexing all the time. even a friend was like dang spence ur filling out. u selling tix's...(a gunshow joke). even though i am not huge i feel huge! loving it
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    so far almost the weeks end . but dang . i must say my chest and whole body parts are like hard as a rock. i mean i feel like i am flexing all the time. even a friend was like dang spence ur filling out. u selling tix's...(a gunshow joke). even though i am not huge i feel huge! loving it
    keeping ur gains is the trick
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    keeping ur gains is the trick
    yeah i know ...will take the correct pct and then also still lift heavy and keep protein above 200 ..

    and definetly is the trick to keep them. but will do my best


    any tips or suggestions appreciated
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    review of animal flex


    Not sure if i posted this before but here u go



    Review of animal flex

    Ok back ground . i had a shoulder that due to abuse was dislocated twice and almost had to have surgery on it . now this sucked cause i had to goto physical theropy for almost 4 months to get it back (hence why my lifts are huge ) but always would have cracking and rubbing in my shoulders. yeah pain is part of growing and i had learned to live with it . well because i am not twenty i also began to experience knee's that would get sore and kinda over all suck squating and gettin up and down began to be a chore. so u can imagin it all came mostly from lifting heavy for several months.

    now add to the top of it i am doing two methoyls and that for sure is going to dry you out totally.


    I had choices of animal flex and orange triad. first chioce was orange triad due to the fact i was already take pills like a mad man. but i went to store and didnt have it so i was like next best thing is animal flex.

    well in less than a week i wanna say i have no regrets at all . I now recommend this product bar none. i have zero shoulder pain and also zero knee pain. yes i realize i am doing fish oil too but i also have been doing that for years. but must say that the animal flex i would have never imagined doing military press and not giving a F . and value wise ..its 44.00 at the store (so i am sure you can get it cheaper online) . and it last for 44 days so extremely worth the value ..never leave home without it and also will never not take nothing else but this
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    I have always had joint issues especially when on a ph cycle. I have thought about giving flex a try, sounds like it's working great for you. Might have to order some up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sw bill View Post
    I have always had joint issues especially when on a ph cycle. I have thought about giving flex a try, sounds like it's working great for you. Might have to order some up.
    1.00 a day u cant beat it ....last 44 days ...

    no mights...cause joints will catch up to u ..so preventive is better than recovery ..

    sorry misquoted price its 33.00 so less than a dollar a day ..u better ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    1.00 a day u cant beat it ....last 44 days ...

    no mights...cause joints will catch up to u ..so preventive is better than recovery ..

    sorry misquoted price its 33.00 so less than a dollar a day ..u better ...
    $18.95 on line lifesaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    $18.95 on line lifesaver

    dayum i got ripp'd off oh well . will have to find that website ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid? View Post
    Good log so far, I'm slowly switching to Animal products myself so far I have animal pm and cuts and will be getting the other products next month.

    yeah let me know about the animal cuts ....and where is ur log i feel i should be following urs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    There is no increase in test while on SD or any other aas except if u inject test or take 4AD. If anything there will be a shutdown of test production because you are now supplying an exogenous horomone. But u can also get the release of bound test which can be converted to estrogen. It's a complicated process of how aas and homones work in the body. You have many factors that can influence gains and side effects.
    How exactly do they build muscle? Any links i can read up on, very curious
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    new format ..not going to include warm ups ...


    decided not to make warm up list. lets face it we all wanna know results. However i am doing warm up sets as ramping weight up. usually 5 sets of 5 each set increasing in weight

    Barbell Bench Press (chest)
    work-sets
    3x5= 140 pounds (went down a little didnt feel it for some reason )(go up)

    Squats Barbell (quads)
    work-sets
    3x5=200 pounds (go up)

    Overhead Press Barbell (shoulders)
    work-sets
    3x5=1x5=110 pounds , 1x4=110 pounds, 1x5=100 pounds (focusing on form)
    (stay )
    Barbell Row (Back)
    work-sets
    3x5=1x5=125 pounds, 2x120 pounds (stay)

    Deadlifts Barbell (Hamstrings)
    worksets
    2x5=160
    1x5=200
    1x5=225 pounds (go up )

    Dips (triceps)
    worksets
    2x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @5(22 pounds)=2x5
    1x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @4(16 pounds)=1x5 and spent (stay)

    E-z curl Barbell curl (biceps)
    work-sets
    3x5=70 pounds (go up)

    Seated calf raises (calves)
    3xfailure=1x5=125,2x4=120 pounds (stay)

    So i learned tonight i am def a morning person . i felt very blah doing the first half of work out then pumped up the last. Average time of workout is about 1 hour 10 min, longer today cause had to wait for machines. But no more nights gotta train myself bed sooner. but all and all good day lifting. I will say Dips made me spent cause i tried to eventually make just my bodyweight. almost there. Progression is the key and its happening so no complaints here.
    Decided will start cardio next week on non lifting days. In the am on empty stomach so i can lose some fat around the tum tum.
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    week 2 day 1 of 4 week cycle


    Barbell Bench Press (chest)
    work-sets 3x5
    1x5==140
    2x5=130 ( stay,kinda fustrated cant seem to go up )

    Squats Barbell (quads)
    work-sets 3x5
    3x5= 210 pounds (stay, shew go it !!)

    Overhead Press Barbell (shoulders)
    work-sets 3x5
    1x5=110 pounds
    1x3=110 pounds
    1x5=100 pounds (stay)

    Barbell Row (Back)
    work-sets 3x5
    3x5=125 pounds (stay)

    Deadlifts Barbell (Hamstrings)
    worksets
    2x5=135
    1x5=170
    1x5=200 pounds (stay, crazy but couldnt lift the bar oh well)

    Dips (triceps)
    worksets
    2x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @5(28 pounds)=2x5
    1x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @4(22 pounds)=1x5 (stay)

    E-z curl Barbell curl (biceps)
    work-sets
    3x5=80 pounds (stay, loved this !!)

    Seated calf raises (calves)
    work sets 3xfailure
    1x9=125
    1x5=125
    1x7=125 pounds (stay)

    Feeling good actually today . workout last longer than i imagined but oh well ..just went it there and did it . but kinda bumm'd about bench but then again im not patience when it comes to wait . of course leave it to my microwave generation ..gen x .. lol but i must remember what yoda would say


    "Much to learn, still you have." -- master yoda


    so starting march 15th ..weighed in at 165 pounds
    march 22nd...weighed in at 170 pounds

    So i am up in pounds 5 pounds and dont see anything as far as out of wack body comp wise adn jeans still fitting so all good . So will up calories just a bit to keep the gains coming ...

    sound good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    Barbell Bench Press (chest)
    work-sets 3x5
    1x5==140
    2x5=130 ( stay,kinda fustrated cant seem to go up )

    Squats Barbell (quads)
    work-sets 3x5
    3x5= 210 pounds (stay, shew go it !!)

    Overhead Press Barbell (shoulders)
    work-sets 3x5
    1x5=110 pounds
    1x3=110 pounds
    1x5=100 pounds (stay)

    Barbell Row (Back)
    work-sets 3x5
    3x5=125 pounds (stay)

    Deadlifts Barbell (Hamstrings)
    worksets
    2x5=135
    1x5=170
    1x5=200 pounds (stay, crazy but couldnt lift the bar oh well)

    Dips (triceps)
    worksets
    2x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @5(28 pounds)=2x5
    1x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @4(22 pounds)=1x5 (stay)

    E-z curl Barbell curl (biceps)
    work-sets
    3x5=80 pounds (stay, loved this !!)

    Seated calf raises (calves)
    work sets 3xfailure
    1x9=125
    1x5=125
    1x7=125 pounds (stay)

    Feeling good actually today . workout last longer than i imagined but oh well ..just went it there and did it . but kinda bumm'd about bench but then again im not patience when it comes to wait . of course leave it to my microwave generation ..gen x .. lol but i must remember what yoda would say


    "Much to learn, still you have." -- master yoda


    so starting march 15th ..weighed in at 165 pounds
    march 22nd...weighed in at 170 pounds

    So i am up in pounds 5 pounds and dont see anything as far as out of wack body comp wise adn jeans still fitting so all good . So will up calories just a bit to keep the gains coming ...

    sound good?
    Yes... Increase the calories
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    Barbell Bench Press (chest)
    work-sets 3x5
    1x5==140
    2x5=130 ( stay,kinda fustrated cant seem to go up )

    Squats Barbell (quads)
    work-sets 3x5
    3x5= 210 pounds (stay, shew go it !!)

    Overhead Press Barbell (shoulders)
    work-sets 3x5
    1x5=110 pounds
    1x3=110 pounds
    1x5=100 pounds (stay)

    Barbell Row (Back)
    work-sets 3x5
    3x5=125 pounds (stay)

    Deadlifts Barbell (Hamstrings)
    worksets
    2x5=135
    1x5=170
    1x5=200 pounds (stay, crazy but couldnt lift the bar oh well)

    Dips (triceps)
    worksets
    2x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @5(28 pounds)=2x5
    1x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @4(22 pounds)=1x5 (stay)

    E-z curl Barbell curl (biceps)
    work-sets
    3x5=80 pounds (stay, loved this !!)

    Seated calf raises (calves)
    work sets 3xfailure
    1x9=125
    1x5=125
    1x7=125 pounds (stay)

    Feeling good actually today . workout last longer than i imagined but oh well ..just went it there and did it . but kinda bumm'd about bench but then again im not patience when it comes to wait . of course leave it to my microwave generation ..gen x .. lol but i must remember what yoda would say


    "Much to learn, still you have." -- master yoda


    so starting march 15th ..weighed in at 165 pounds
    march 22nd...weighed in at 170 pounds

    So i am up in pounds 5 pounds and dont see anything as far as out of wack body comp wise adn jeans still fitting so all good . So will up calories just a bit to keep the gains coming ...

    sound good?
    for those following please put what day your on each and every post, definitely help to see where you are in the cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    for those following please put what day your on each and every post, definitely help to see where you are in the cycle

    thanks
    ok will do editing now
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    ok will do editing now
    certainly would never have advised you doing this cycle but **** it you on it now and you are keeping a nice log, might as well see if there is anything we can do to help along the way
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    Why are using such a low rep range? Are u doing a whole body workout? If so how often a wk u workout? I think we need to make serious changes in your workout split.

    Also if u are eating what u posted you def should be gaining more in weight and strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    certainly would never have advised you doing this cycle but **** it you on it now and you are keeping a nice log, might as well see if there is anything we can do to help along the way
    thanks i appreciate that . always a learner
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    Why are using such a low rep range? Are u doing a whole body workout? If so how often a wk u workout? I think we need to make serious changes in your workout split.

    Also if u are eating what u posted you def should be gaining more in weight and strength.
    doing low rep range to make sure i pound it hard with weights for biggest bang for the buck. i work out 3 times a week. the whole set up is in beginning of log. I am eating what i am posting on diet. and i did go up in strength however with the weights i am still pushing it little by little now . will be increasing the calories thank u
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    doing low rep range to make sure i pound it hard with weights for biggest bang for the buck. i work out 3 times a week. the whole set up is in beginning of log. I am eating what i am posting on diet. and i did go up in strength however with the weights i am still pushing it little by little now . will be increasing the calories thank u
    So you are training for strength I take it, am I correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    So you are training for strength I take it, am I correct?
    yes for strength and over all build composition wise

    eating big ...lifting big = gettin big
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    yes for strength and over all build composition wise

    eating big ...lifting big = gettin big
    Low reps are not the best rep range to induce muscle hypertrophy. It is more come to fund the best grow at 8-12 rep range. Often parts need 15 or even 20 reps. Throwing around heavy weight for 3 weights isn't lifting big. Look at Ronnie he would grab 200lbs DB and still rep out 10. You want maximal weight so failure is reached around your rep range. There often program much like CAMP training that are designed around different rep ranges to try and axhieve the maximal results. Even with DC training you my rest pause 7/4/1 but that's still 12 reps total. See my point?
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    The beauty of steroids is that they aid in the recovery time dramtically and enable longer heavier hessions with quicker recovery. So in this regard it is important to get the most out of each session in the limited time that you are on cycle. Which let's face it is just the last 3 weeks. To effectivly do that I am a big fan of working out 6 days a weeks balls to the wall and dedicated days to chest and back. Last cycle I really focused on chest, I worked out chest twicw a week for 90 minutes each time and I put 60lb on my bench. Pound that body part until you can't move, its only for 3 weeks and the results are worth the blood sweat and tears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    Low reps are not the best rep range to induce muscle hypertrophy. It is more come to fund the best grow at 8-12 rep range. Often parts need 15 or even 20 reps. Throwing around heavy weight for 3 weights isn't lifting big. Look at Ronnie he would grab 200lbs DB and still rep out 10. You want maximal weight so failure is reached around your rep range. There often program much like CAMP training that are designed around different rep ranges to try and axhieve the maximal results. Even with DC training you my rest pause 7/4/1 but that's still 12 reps total. See my point?
    absolutely i do see ur point. however right now i am focusing on a base before adding accessories. I already have been flamed for weights being so low so i will stick with the compounds until i gain respect from myself and others of the foundation . but i do see ur piont. my training loosely based on rippetoe ...if havent noticed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    The beauty of steroids is that they aid in the recovery time dramtically and enable longer heavier hessions with quicker recovery. So in this regard it is important to get the most out of each session in the limited time that you are on cycle. Which let's face it is just the last 3 weeks. To effectivly do that I am a big fan of working out 6 days a weeks balls to the wall and dedicated days to chest and back. Last cycle I really focused on chest, I worked out chest twicw a week for 90 minutes each time and I put 60lb on my bench. Pound that body part until you can't move, its only for 3 weeks and the results are worth the blood sweat and tears.

    never thought of it that way. might on next cycle but will be conservative on this . as its my first. 2nd cycle will go more balls to the walls. again im going for foundation right now . and g'dang i eat and eat and eat lol

    also whole reason i am doing 3 full body workout routines so i can have best of both worlds hitting body part 3x a week rest 4 days to recover
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    never thought of it that way. might on next cycle but will be conservative on this . as its my first. 2nd cycle will go more balls to the walls. again im going for foundation right now . and g'dang i eat and eat and eat lol

    also whole reason i am doing 3 full body workout routines so i can have best of both worlds hitting body part 3x a week rest 4 days to recover
    Not sure if u mentioned or not but where are you working out? local gym? if so do you have a workout partner? Really help having a spotter especially when it comes to chest, like to see you get some negatives and forced reps in there. Blast those muscles for maximum growth
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    Not sure if u mentioned or not but where are you working out? local gym? if so do you have a workout partner? Really help having a spotter especially when it comes to chest, like to see you get some negatives and forced reps in there. Blast those muscles for maximum growth
    i work out at ymca in louisville ky . and no spotter..i have asked few tiems but seriously the time i go there really is no one there. its crazy but thats why i love going at the time no one in my way ...but i have gone at nights and still no one at the deadlifts contraption...or the squat contraption lol

    matter of fact on that note i know who has been in the squat rack once i see the weight. we have a guy that is hooge and always see his weight and its like i japense and he is gawdzilla
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbie2bb View Post
    absolutely i do see ur point. however right now i am focusing on a base before adding accessories. I already have been flamed for weights being so low so i will stick with the compounds until i gain respect from myself and others of the foundation . but i do see ur piont. my training loosely based on rippetoe ...if havent noticed.
    It's fine to want to focus on compound movements but there are way more effective routines than what you are doing.
    If u are open to suggestions try this:
    workout 1: chest and shoulders
    4 sets incline BB
    4 sets flat DB
    4 sets db flye, cable or machine
    3 sets seated BB press or DB
    3 sets lateral raises
    4 sets body weight or weighted dips

    workout 2:
    4 sets pullups
    4 sets bent BB rows
    4 sets reverse grip pulldown
    4 sets seated close grip cable row
    4-6 sets deadlifts

    workout 3:
    squat squat squat squat... Ohh yeah squat!
    4 sets leg extensions
    4 sets laying leg curl
    4 sets seated leg curl

    do it in thus fashion:
    day 1= workout 1
    day 2= workout 2
    day 3= off/rest
    day 4= workout 3
    day 5= repeat

    also up the rep range to no more than 12 but no less than 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    It's fine to want to focus on compound movements but there are way more effective routines than what you are doing.
    If u are open to suggestions try this:
    workout 1: chest and shoulders
    4 sets incline BB
    4 sets flat DB
    4 sets db flye, cable or machine
    3 sets seated BB press or DB
    3 sets lateral raises
    4 sets body weight or weighted dips

    workout 2:
    4 sets pullups
    4 sets bent BB rows
    4 sets reverse grip pulldown
    4 sets seated close grip cable row
    4-6 sets deadlifts

    workout 3:
    squat squat squat squat... Ohh yeah squat!
    4 sets leg extensions
    4 sets laying leg curl
    4 sets seated leg curl

    do it in thus fashion:
    day 1= workout 1
    day 2= workout 2
    day 3= off/rest
    day 4= workout 3
    day 5= repeat

    also up the rep range to no more than 12 but no less than 6.
    id personally keep my rep range between 5 and 8 except for legs where ur better with a higher rep range and i think the Stud has given u a nice routine there
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    id personally keep my rep range between 5 and 8 except for legs where ur better with a higher rep range and i think the Stud has given u a nice routine there
    I try to help

    you can also throw in 3 sets of a skull crusher or pushdown at the end of wo1 and also do 3 sets of bb or db curls at the end of wo2... Sorry forgot those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    I try to help

    you can also throw in 3 sets of a skull crusher or pushdown at the end of wo1 and also do 3 sets of bb or db curls at the end of wo2... Sorry forgot those.
    does look good and def will look into it im all for mixing it up keep the muscle guessing. ony cause is i can mostly only do mon thru friday due to fact of my work. but def lookin good
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