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    HAVOC! BLOOD WORK?


    i am not doing a cycle of havoc for a year or so but i am wondering why some guys recommend and AI as a pct and some a SERM? Also when i do this stack i would like to get bloodwork before and after. How do you go about doing this the most cheap and effective way?

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    please some one must have answers to these questions!
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    People who recommend an AI over a SERM are too stupid or lazy to get a SERM. It's NOT hard. You will find some people who sell OTC products trying to hype SERMs being toxic and such... but they are given to women looking to get pregnant. That should tell you how safe they are.

    For bloodwork, you would go to an independent lab where you'd pay $100-$200 and they would draw your blood and send you the results. The reason for this is it won't go on your medical records.

    You get to choose which tests they do, you want to get:
    Liver function
    Lipid Panel
    Testosterone+Estradiol
    And maybe Kidney function, but often creatinine and BUN will be off in bodybuilders due to diet anyway.
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    how much does this all cost to get tested for all of them and do they read the records for you or do you need a dr. to read them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by at1010 View Post
    how much does this all cost to get tested for all of them and do they read the records for you or do you need a dr. to read them?
    The documents show you the range that's considered normal, and if any of your numbers are out of range they'll be highlighted..
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    Quote Originally Posted by at1010 View Post
    how much does this all cost to get tested for all of them and do they read the records for you or do you need a dr. to read them?
    if u have health insurance, either nothing or just your co-pay
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    Quote Originally Posted by at1010 View Post
    how much does this all cost to get tested for all of them and do they read the records for you or do you need a dr. to read them?
    Do you have a doctor and do you get a yearly physical,because they usually run a CBC, it checks for all your basic stuff Liver,kidney cholesterol ect...
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    ya i have a dr. and i was planning on going for a physical before my cycle and getting blood and then going in after the cycle and asking for him to take blood and not telling him why other than i have taken creatine and i read it could hurt my body so i wanna make sure everything is ok..
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    Quote Originally Posted by at1010 View Post
    ya i have a dr. and i was planning on going for a physical before my cycle and getting blood and then going in after the cycle and asking for him to take blood and not telling him why other than i have taken creatine and i read it could hurt my body so i wanna make sure everything is ok..
    I don't think you have to ask him,blood work is routine for a yearly physical..
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    The only thing is you'll have to ask for a copy,because he'll only tell you if somethings wrong he won't call you if everything is fine.
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    would a DR. consider having higher test a problem? Also i am going to wait til i am 21 but what exactly does a ph do that would mess your edocrine system up and can you see if it is off through blood tests? i have a lot of question but i want to be very knowlegeable before i put something into my body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by at1010 View Post
    anyone?
    there potential for lowered sex hormones for life. IE Low test levels. stay away from PH DS ASS kid
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    O i am going to stay away till i am 21, but i was just curious. I always hear how they can mess up your liver(which doesnt worry me) but the edocrine system scares the **** outta me. i have many buddies who have taken phs at 17-20 and they all are still horny but i have read you need to get actually blood tests to know if your ok. (they have only ran a few cycles also, maybe thats why)
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