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    4-ad cypionate and 19-nor cypionate


    Kilo sports is/was offering both of these products in powder form. Is that so they can be made injectable? If so, would you use a typical oil-based kit and what concentration (200 mg/ml)?

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    Chemo is supposed to be working out a deal with Kilo to get some powder and do some testing with it. I am not sure how far he has progressed in getting any. I know he was interested in getting the 4-AD but not sure on the 19-Nor. I saw it on their website as well. Chemo or LG can help you out with this one.
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    Originally posted by DarCSA
    Chemo or LG can help you out with this one.
    Shooooot...I'm now getting volunteered for my services...this is a first

     

    anyway...

    yeah Chemo is attempting to get his hands on some of that 4-AD cyp for research purposes only...and, hey I dont blame him it is a good idea..I might try a little bit of this myself in my lab (aka my bedroom )....heheh 4-AD suspension for site enhancement..hehe...that might hurt a little j/k...I wont inject for a while (about 2 more years or so)

     

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    Originally posted by RVEXLER
    Kilo sports is/was offering both of these products in powder form. Is that so they can be made injectable? If so, would you use a typical oil-based kit and what concentration (200 mg/ml)?
    As soon as the powders get in I'll have a few hundred grams for the typical experimentation.  Most likely I would mix a 250 mg/mL for starters and move my way up to 400-600.  Also, the recipe should be around 1% BA, 5% BB, and the rest cottonseed oil.

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    i need some but not in bulk; i'd like to pick up 10g from someone soon
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    sign me up for a 4-AD cyp..sounds like fun!
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    Is that the cypionate versions?


    Originally posted by 1Fast400
    If you run low and need more, let me know
    Does your generous offer apply to everybody? And, are you talking about the cypionated versions of 4-ad and 19-nor?
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    I have some things I'm going to try first before letting any get out of my hands.
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    Originally posted by 1Fast400
    I have some things I'm going to try first before letting any get out of my hands.
    Cryptic message... wonder what that means
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    Arrow CYP in stock @ Kilosports


    CYP is in @ Kilosports. Does anyone know the purity?

    Subj: Re: KiloSports Contact: In Stock Now ?
    Date: 2/16/03 7:37:56 AM Pacific Standard Time
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    yes

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    >KiloSports Contact: In Stock Now ?
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    >Contact Name: Steve XXXX
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    >Message: Do you have the 4-ANDROSTENEDIOL CYPIONATE in stock now?
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    Yep, 4-ad cyp is back in stock. Ordered 20 grams for myself today. Suggest that anybody else that is interested order some ASAP as the last batch ran out in several days.
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    If anyone needs 4ad cyp or kilo runs out again, I have 2 kilos left, I can offer it cheaper than kilosports.
    PM me.
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    Just a little warning. Animal used Kilosports 4AD cyp and got a bad case of the "flu". He believes it came from the low purity (93%).

    Has anyone else done the Kilosports 4AD cyp ?
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    I never used the Kilosports 4ad cyp, I think their prices for it are alittle high, but a gym buddy of mine used it and he never had any bad reactions to it. He made good gains off of it also.
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    Originally posted by nsruffryder34
    I never used the Kilosports 4ad cyp, I think their prices for it are alittle high, but a gym buddy of mine used it and he never had any bad reactions to it. He made good gains off of it also.
    Do you know how many mg/ml he used?

    Also, how often and how much he shot?
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    Well, has anyone tried injecting the kilosport 4AD Cyp yet?
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    PROGRESS REPORT - 4 AD CYP.


    Made my own injectable 4-ad cypionate. The concentration was 250mg/ml. Have been doing 500 mg twice weekly injections since last monday. Injections are painless. It will probably be about another week before I notice any big differences.
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    Re: PROGRESS REPORT - 4 AD CYP.


    Originally posted by RVEXLER
    Made my own injectable 4-ad cypionate. The concentration was 250mg/ml. Have been doing 500 mg twice weekly injections since last monday. Injections are painless. It will probably be about another week before I notice any big differences.
    Update?  Recipe?
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    Sorry about the delay in getting back to you all. What happened is that I received my awaited shipment of (ahem... ) not so legal supplements after two weeks of doing the 4-AD cypionate. So, I put the 4-AD on hold for the time being (next 10 weeks). What I did notice is that the effect is basically the same as for transdermal 4-AD, but with the benefit of only having to have to administer twice a week. No side effects that were unanticipated (e.g. the "flu" that others were talking about).

    Here was the "recipe" I used for 40 ml @250mg/ml:

    5% benzyl alcohol (2cc)
    5% benzyl benzoate (2cc)
    10 grams 4-Ad cypionate

    1) fill clean tube with 40 cc of water. Mark water line, empty and dry.

    2) Add 4-AD cypionate to tube. Add benzyl alcohol and benzyl benzoate. Put top on tube and shake. Add sterile oil until you reach the 40 cc mark drawn earlier.

    3) Place tube in pan of water on stove with top off of tube. Heat and gently swirl tube until liquid turns clear (it will start off as very thick and milky). Remove from heat and allow to cool slightly.

    4) Filter into sterile sealed vial using whatman .4 filter.

    5) When cool, liquid will turn milky white again.
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    If you upped the BB to 10% do you think you could get closer to 500mg/ml?

    Does too much BB cause pain or is it only too much BA?

    Also, like to know BDC thoughts on this as well.

    Thanks
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    Originally posted by SteveDFW
    If you upped the BB to 10% do you think you could get closer to 500mg/ml?

    Does too much BB cause pain or is it only too much BA?

    Also, like to know BDC thoughts on this as well.

    Thanks
    Possibly. But at 250mg/ml it is already a fairly thick solution; so you might be able to get a higher concentration but it would be pretty difficult to inject. And from what I understand, the BA is what causes the pain on initial injection, not the BB.
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    Originally posted by RVEXLER


    Possibly. But at 250mg/ml it is already a fairly thick solution; so you might be able to get a higher concentration but it would be pretty difficult to inject. And from what I understand, the BA is what causes the pain on initial injection, not the BB.
    Your recipe went thru a 25gauge needle with no problems, correct?
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    pardon my possible ignorance, but besides legal reasons, which in reality injecting 4ad is illegal anway so there really are no legal differences, why would anybody want to inject a prohormone, i understand the benfit of PH's to bodybuilders not wanting to make the leap, but injecting already implies that leap in my opinion, if you are going to inject why not just buy real gear???
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    Originally posted by SteveDFW


    Your recipe went thru a 25gauge needle with no problems, correct?
    I would draw it up with an 18 gauge needle into the syringe and then switch to a 25 gauge needle for injecting. It would take about 30-45 seconds, and a lot of pressure on the plunger, to get it to go in.
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    Originally posted by captainbicept
    pardon my possible ignorance, but besides legal reasons, which in reality injecting 4ad is illegal anway so there really are no legal differences, why would anybody want to inject a prohormone, i understand the benfit of PH's to bodybuilders not wanting to make the leap, but injecting already implies that leap in my opinion, if you are going to inject why not just buy real gear???
    Good questions. Here are my thoughts:

    "injecting 4ad is illegal" - I don't think it is. Selling an injectable version of 4-AD would bring you under the jurisdiction of the FDA, but injecting a legal substance is not illegal.

    "why would anybody want to inject a prohormone" - Twice weekly administration (with the cypionate version of 4-AD) versus twice daily, and greatly improved bio-availability.
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    Add 5 ccs of benzyl alcohol to 95 ccs of vegetable oil (corn, sesame, or peanut). Mix well

    Heat oil to 130 - 140 degrees fahrenheit

    Add 11.5 grams of 4-AD cypionate and mix until a clear solution is obtained

    Pass hot oil solution through syringe filter ( 0.45 or 0.1 micron) and into clean vial or glass container.

    Seal container

    Should provide around 105-110 ccs of approximately 100mg per cc 4-AD cyp in oil
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    Originally posted by RVEXLER


    Good questions. Here are my thoughts:

    "injecting 4ad is illegal" - I don't think it is. Selling an injectable version of 4-AD would bring you under the jurisdiction of the FDA, but injecting a legal substance is not illegal.

    "why would anybody want to inject a prohormone" - Twice weekly administration (with the cypionate version of 4-AD) versus twice daily, and greatly improved bio-availability.
    actually once the prohormone is turned into an injectable form it is illegal, you can have all the powders and supplies to make the injectables in your possession as long as it has not been converted, once converted it is just as illegal as real cypionate. which is why i dont understand why ppl wouldnt just inject real cyp. which is 2x weekly injections still and will obviously be more effective than the prohormone, i just see it as if you are taking the leap to inject using an illegal product why not just use the real more effective one, the only "selling point" which i can see is that you can attain all the supplies legaly and readilly.
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    Originally posted by 1Fast400
    Add 5 ccs of benzyl alcohol to 95 ccs of vegetable oil (corn, sesame, or peanut). Mix well

    Heat oil to 130 - 140 degrees fahrenheit

    Add 11.5 grams of 4-AD cypionate and mix until a clear solution is obtained

    Pass hot oil solution through syringe filter ( 0.45 or 0.1 micron) and into clean vial or glass container.

    Seal container

    Should provide around 105-110 ccs of approximately 100mg per cc 4-AD cyp in oil
    You would have to inject twice as much as RVEXLER's recipe.
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    Originally posted by 1Fast400
    Add 5 ccs of benzyl alcohol to 95 ccs of vegetable oil (corn, sesame, or peanut). Mix well

    Heat oil to 130 - 140 degrees fahrenheit

    Add 11.5 grams of 4-AD cypionate and mix until a clear solution is obtained

    Pass hot oil solution through syringe filter ( 0.45 or 0.1 micron) and into clean vial or glass container.

    Seal container

    Should provide around 105-110 ccs of approximately 100mg per cc 4-AD cyp in oil
    At this concentration what would the best injection scheme be assuming you want to hit 700 mg a week of 4-AD.

    Would it be 2 cc EOD or 1 cc ED.

    Even better since it is in oil could you stretch it to say 3.5 cc 2 x week?
    Not sure on the half life and absorbtion rate of this formula.
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    The whole idea of the "cyp" is to keep from doing ED or EOD. Once very 5 to 7 days enough.

    Thats is why I was thinking the 250mg/ml is better suited.
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    Gotcha, the 250mg/ml seems awful high.

    Chemo's thread about making a 4-AD inject was talking about 50 mg/ml.

    If you can get it that high it is very good.
    I could enjoy injecting 1 gr a week.....

    Edit:
    Never mind this post I was being stupid and reading an old thread also where Chemo was discussing a 50mg/ml mix from a friend. Thanks for pointing out my ignorance Steve
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    NO, his 4AD cyp post says 250-600mg/ml
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    Originally posted by captainbicept


    actually once the prohormone is turned into an injectable form it is illegal, you can have all the powders and supplies to make the injectables in your possession as long as it has not been converted, once converted it is just as illegal as real cypionate. which is why i dont understand why ppl wouldnt just inject real cyp. which is 2x weekly injections still and will obviously be more effective than the prohormone, i just see it as if you are taking the leap to inject using an illegal product why not just use the real more effective one, the only "selling point" which i can see is that you can attain all the supplies legaly and readilly.
    There isn't NEAR as much legal risk with injecting prohormones, whether it is legal or not, mainly because you can legally order the supplies and it doesn't matter if you get caught going across the border with them or if people find them in the mail. With AAS, they are illegal in any way shape or form. (unless you have a rx) If you think about it, having illegal things in your house isnt as big of a deal as transporting them from place to place, something you wouldnt have to do if you injected prohormones.
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    how can they prove that your injectable mix is actually for injecting.. all you have is a legal sterile vial
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    With respect to 1fast's recipe post:

    Very good but I would prefer 1% BA / 5% BB for the mix simply due to the fact that the cyp ester is plenty soluble to support 500 mg/mL without a co-colvent and the BA could be used as a true bacteriostatic agent.

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    crap! i wish i wouldve tried to get it into a higher concentration i wussed out and stopped at 250mg/ml and now i shoot 2ml 2x a week which really isnt soo bad but 1ml a shot would be beter as my hands are not soo steady
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    2 mL twice per week is pretty standard...

    Do tell your details: recipe, directions, observations, pain factor, and everything else.
  

  
 

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