inject or not to inject ? Opinions ?

[edwitt]

Ive run many orals in the past and im ready to cross on over to the other side, I have my cycle all planned out and approved.

Here is the conundrum, its not approved by the wife.

Do you think from a logistical stand point its even possible for me to run on the QT ?

The gains i can BS away, storage in the refrigerator not an option and how about my inj sites? they gonna show/bruise ?

Anybody out there had this issue and how/if did you resolve?

So ready for this, ive done couple of months of planning, sourcing etc
Planned kick off date is April 14th so still got time to work this out

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[nosnmiveins]

thats a bad situtation man.....u really want to hide it from ur WIFE? i think a better route would be to educate her on it and let her do some research. have her watch "bigger, faster, stronger".

gf are one thing, but lying to ur wife can/will get messy.

pinning shouldnt leave bruises, but sometimes wil make that muscle site sore for a few days....she'll probably question why ur limping or why u cant sit down.

just my opinion

 

[slacker86]

dont know cycle length but if u cant utilize HCG u better have a wicked good PCT lined up.

Can u keep ur wife from finding out? I dont know man i talked to my gf and made her watch bigger faster stronger and shes not saying yes but im not worried to come home and see my test and PCT dumped in the toilet.

Also if ur only running test chances are it wont be as noticable as other things like tren (night sweats, coughing) or deca (deca **** till ur test kicks in fully).


The injection sites should not bruise however if u hit a vein or artery they could. If u really want to minimize it use a 25ga 1inch needle and just go back and forth between legs and delts. Also it takes about an hour to stop bleeding/injection track to be un-noticalble (in my experience).

Highly suggest u get the wife on ur side first though

 

[edwitt]

dont know cycle length but if u cant utilize HCG u better have a wicked good PCT lined up.

Can u keep ur wife from finding out? I dont know man i talked to my gf and made her watch bigger faster stronger and shes not saying yes but im not worried to come home and see my test and PCT dumped in the toilet.

Also if ur only running test chances are it wont be as noticable as other things like tren (night sweats, coughing) or deca (deca **** till ur test kicks in fully).


The injection sites should not bruise however if u hit a vein or artery they could. If u really want to minimize it use a 25ga 1inch needle and just go back and forth between legs and delts. Also it takes about an hour to stop bleeding/injection track to be un-noticalble (in my experience).

Highly suggest u get the wife on ur side first though

epi/tren oral kick start
Test enth 12 weeks
Var last 4 weeks
HCG as per Swales
PCT and AI all in order etc

She saw the Clomid and was not to happy about it at all.

This really ****ing sucks, im so ready and up for it but its pretty damn big lie

 

[Liftingstud]

Yeah agree with what the others say. I am starting my first inj cycle and talked to the gf about it. Her response "figured it was going to happen at some point... Can I inj u?" haha... She also liked the fact that test is going to make my libido really high. If she objects to u doing it have her watch bigger stronger faster... Try to educate her on the subject, that it's not what the media makes it out to be. Just not smart to hide something from ur wife.

 

[sw bill]

I showed my wife how terrible the orals i was taking are and how much safer it is to pin.Now we have a dont ask dont tell policy.As long as she doesnt see it and i dont talk about it then she will ignore it.Planning my first pin right now, Yeehaa

 

[slacker86]

but if ur doing HCG u need the refrigerator for storage.


Please talk to ur wife chances are once she learns how much safer it is than orals she wont be so opposed. Tell her the benefits of increased libido, well being, confidence and such. Also let her know that the negatives are highly exaggerated and u are taking proper precautions to make sure there are no permanent or problematic side effects (hopefully that gets ur HCG into the refrigerator).

And if u talk to her and she says hell no ur not doing it or bringing that **** in the house.. Well u know ur going to have to keep that stuff somewhere else cause if ur PCT and test gets dumped out ur kinda up ****s creek.

 

[edwitt]

I showed my wife how terrible the orals i was taking are and how much safer it is to pin.Now we have a dont ask dont tell policy.As long as she doesnt see it and i dont talk about it then she will ignore it.Planning my first pin right now, Yeehaa

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You are all ****ing right of course but its gonna be a real hard sell, she not happy about me doing any more oral cycles either, brothers a god damn doctor and has previously chimed in on the dangers etc blah blah ****ing blah

 

[slacker86]

**** **** ****

You are all ****ing right of course but its gonna be a real hard sell, she not happy about me doing any more oral cycles either, brothers a god damn doctor and has previously chimed in on the dangers etc blah blah ****ing blah

If hes a doctor ask him the long term side effects of HRT (utilizing test Cypionate). Since this is prescribed basicly for the rest of your life the side effects are pretty mild.

If u want some articles on HCG i just posted a ton on another thread and would be happy to either post them here or send u a link to the thread.

Talk about clomid therapy for testosterone restart procedures.

Dont be upset that hes a doctor use the medical journals and medical knowlege to ur benefit.

There is a lot of evidence and case studies out there to support u.

 

[slacker86]

plus a doctor must recognize that a tride and true old hormone that has a lot of understanding and even uses in teh medical community is a lot safer than some PH that has been released for only a few years and no one really knows the long term side effects.

 

[edwitt]

If hes a doctor ask him the long term side effects of HRT (utilizing test Cypionate). Since this is prescribed basicly for the rest of your life the side effects are pretty mild.

If u want some articles on HCG i just posted a ton on another thread and would be happy to either post them here or send u a link to the thread.

Talk about clomid therapy for testosterone restart procedures.

Dont be upset that hes a doctor use the medical journals and medical knowlege to ur benefit.

There is a lot of evidence and case studies out there to support u.

yes.. id def be interested to read

thx

 

[edwitt]

plus a doctor must recognize that a tride and true old hormone that has a lot of understanding and even uses in teh medical community is a lot safer than some PH that has been released for only a few years and no one really knows the long term side effects.

the "its better than a PH" pitch aint gonna fly

 

[slacker86]

ur actually on this thread but in case u unsubscribed..
The actual medical journals and case studies are on page 2

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/146027-hcg-help-bros-2.html

 

[slacker86]

the "its better than a PH" pitch aint gonna fly

It may not work that well however he cant rely deny known vs unknown side effects. Not to mention liver damage or something like a methyl oral steroid

 

[edwitt]

ur actually on this thread but in case u unsubscribed..
The actual medical journals and case studies are on page 2

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/146027-hcg-help-bros-2.html

yea good thread, useful reading

Still subscribed thx bro

 

[edwitt]

It may not work that well however he cant rely deny known vs unknown side effects. Not to mention liver damage or something like a methyl oral steroid

he certainly not advising the PH route either also, as luck would have it the whole family are sports fanatics and the brother was in the damn Olympics, "steroids" not in the family dictionary, Im not gonna win any friends trying to convince him otherwise.

I gotta win the old lady over if thats possible, this is gonna be an uphill battle

The game is afoot

 

[nosnmiveins]

if u cant own up to it to ur wife, then beware of the consequences....but this is what i would do.

- make sure u have somewhere to hide all of it
- scratch the HCG, u really dont need it on this cycle anyway and u dont have a fridge to store it
- pin once per week
- run the kickstart but dont even bother with the var at the end (u need 6-8 weeks and a decent dose to really benefit from it)

 

[GeekPoop]

if u cant own up to it to ur wife, then beware of the consequences....but this is what i would do.

- make sure u have somewhere to hide all of it
- scratch the HCG, u really dont need it on this cycle anyway and u dont have a fridge to store it
- pin once per week
- run the kickstart but dont even bother with the var at the end (u need 6-8 weeks and a decent dose to really benefit from it)

either hide your vials or use amps so you can get rid of them quickly.

you could hide hcg in a mini vial inbetween cans in your fridge but it'll prolly get found very quickly.

scrub your back and face pretty good, wife is going to notice acne and your shrunken balls.

 

[edwitt]

either hide your vials or use amps so you can get rid of them quickly.

you could hide hcg in a mini vial inbetween cans in your fridge but it'll prolly get found very quickly.

scrub your back and face pretty good, wife is going to notice acne and your shrunken balls.

i can probably get prescription for HCG and come up with highly plausible excuse for the docs script

 

[edwitt]

Guess i could always trade the wife in might even get a few vials for her, she scrubs up OK

 

[GeekPoop]

i can probably get prescription for HCG and come up with highly plausible excuse for the docs script

Id do that for sure!

another method of HCG use is blasting yoruself with liek 2500iu 2-3 weeks prior but as you can tell by my post I dont know to much about it cuz I havent reserached it much.

 

[panther77]

there is the option of not tellin her about the test, running the kickstart and act like you're just doing a long long oral cycle lol and say you need the hcg.... dont know if that'll work but is an option i guess

 

[edwitt]

there is the option of not tellin her about the test, running the kickstart and act like you're just doing a long long oral cycle lol and say you need the hcg.... dont know if that'll work but is an option i guess

Ok... Plan of attack... I need to somehow get the missus to watch "bigger, faster, stronger" need to be sneaky tho i cant just say " Hey honey... I got a great must watch documentary for us".

I should have a better idea of what my chances are of getting the official "go ahead" after

 

[GeekPoop]

Ok... Plan of attack... I need to somehow get the missus to watch "bigger, faster, stronger" need to be sneaky tho i cant just say " Hey honey... I got a great must watch documentary for us".

I should have a better idea of what my chances are of getting the official "go ahead" after

just ask her if she wants lots of sexing. she should agree to that, and than reveal your plan

 

[Uncle Ralph]

convincing someone who is brainwashed by the media that steroids arent bad only works for someone who is...well the bi-curious equivalent to steroids.

from what i gathered theres really nothing u can do..she'll believe her brother any day over a documentary (i love bigger stronger faster btw).

So you can either tell her the truth, and make her understand you just disagree on the subject. as long as she doesnt see a bunch of acne (jojoba oil from gnc works for me), and u dont get aggresive with her or around her outside the bedroom, the only thing she'll notice is ur new muscles and unstoppable sex drive....which she can get use to.

Other option is to hide it like porn. Garage would be a great place if u got one. I also dont know what your job is but if its in an office then you should have a fridge available for u to store the HCG. can use an ice pack and insulated cooler bag to transport ur pins.

 

[Spooly]

bigger stronger faster my chick watched it and said i hope the juice dont make u look like the main guy doing the documentry he looks fat lol i hope u look like the bull haha

 

[edwitt]

convincing someone who is brainwashed by the media that steroids arent bad only works for someone who is...well the bi-curious equivalent to steroids.


from what i gathered theres really nothing u can do..she'll believe her brother any day over a documentary (i love bigger stronger faster btw).

So you can either tell her the truth, and make her understand you just disagree on the subject. as long as she doesnt see a bunch of acne (jojoba oil from gnc works for me), and u dont get aggresive with her or around her outside the bedroom, the only thing she'll notice is ur new muscles and unstoppable sex drive....which she can get use to.

Other option is to hide it like porn. Garage would be a great place if u got one. I also dont know what your job is but if its in an office then you should have a fridge available for u to store the HCG. can use an ice pack and insulated cooler bag to transport ur pins.

i agree, its gonna be a long uphill battle but lets see her reaction to the movie, see what were dealing with here

 

[dcf143]

Educate her. All of the gains you'll enjoy we'll be offset from the fact your hiding the pinning from her. In addition, once she agrees, keep your seperate, no need for her to see anything. Try not to be flexing in the mirror around the house to much, it will aggreavate her. Let her compliment you, and how you look, then she be begging you to go on cycle again.

 

[edwitt]

Educate her. All of the gains you'll enjoy we'll be offset from the fact your hiding the pinning from her. In addition, once she agrees, keep your seperate, no need for her to see anything. Try not to be flexing in the mirror around the house to much, it will aggreavate her. Let her compliment you, and how you look, then she be begging you to go on cycle again.

Wishful thinking mate but Im gonna attempt the educate approach, my fear is that its not gonna work, id say conservatively 80 20 chances are not in my favor. My problem here is that if this doesnt work its gonna make it so much harder for me to pull off behind her back and will cause that much more trouble when/if she finds out, id say chances of getting way with it after educating her go down from 70 30 in my favor to 80 20 against, they are troubling numbers

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[Uncle Ralph]

Wishful thinking mate but Im gonna attempt the educate approach, my fear is that its not gonna work, id say conservatively 80 20 chances are not in my favor. My problem here is that if this doesnt work its gonna make it so much harder for me to pull off behind her back and will cause that much more trouble when/if she finds out, id say chances of getting way with it after educating her go down from 70 30 in my favor to 80 20 against, they are troubling numbers

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haha I couldnt agree more, dont forget theres *******s like greg valentino in bigger faster stronger... he defiantly wont be helping your cause and even worse.....hes probably who she'll remember most from watching that.

lemme flip the script for ya here...ever watch guy whos arms exploded? at the end of that it gets pretty negative torward roid use: semi-quoting the former bodybuilder "u take steroids once and that one little steroid will grow into cancer in ur body" this is said after he explian how his liver is garbage and he suffered heart attack.

my point is watching this guy had NO effect on me because my mind set is that roid use isnt as dangerous as guys like him would have us beleive. your wife is on the other side of the spectrum....minds already made up

guess what im trying to say here is if you want to educate her then YOU need to educate her first...you know let her READ what youve read, maybe even makeup some sports doctors youve talked to on the subject....only after you get her a little bi-curios to learn more would you want to pop out Bigger Stronger Faster for the knock out punch... but set them jabs and combos up first before going for the win

 

[edwitt]

haha I couldnt agree more, dont forget theres *******s like greg valentino in bigger faster stronger... he defiantly wont be helping your cause and even worse.....hes probably who she'll remember most from watching that.

lemme flip the script for ya here...ever watch guy whos arms exploded? at the end of that it gets pretty negative torward roid use: semi-quoting the former bodybuilder "u take steroids once and that one little steroid will grow into cancer in ur body" this is said after he explian how his liver is garbage and he suffered heart attack.

my point is watching this guy had NO effect on me because my mind set is that roid use isnt as dangerous as guys like him would have us beleive. your wife is on the other side of the spectrum....minds already made up

guess what im trying to say here is if you want to educate her then YOU need to educate her first...you know let her READ what youve read, maybe even makeup some sports doctors youve talked to on the subject....only after you get her a little bi-curios to learn more would you want to pop out Bigger Stronger Faster for the knock out punch... but set them jabs and combos up first before going for the win

i believe we are on the right track here precision planning this is definitely gonna take some stealth planning, gonna have to **** deep into my armory of divisive tactics

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[edwitt]

haha I couldnt agree more, dont forget theres *******s like greg valentino in bigger faster stronger... he defiantly wont be helping your cause and even worse.....hes probably who she'll remember most from watching that.

lemme flip the script for ya here...ever watch guy whos arms exploded? at the end of that it gets pretty negative torward roid use: semi-quoting the former bodybuilder "u take steroids once and that one little steroid will grow into cancer in ur body" this is said after he explian how his liver is garbage and he suffered heart attack.

my point is watching this guy had NO effect on me because my mind set is that roid use isnt as dangerous as guys like him would have us beleive. your wife is on the other side of the spectrum....minds already made up

guess what im trying to say here is if you want to educate her then YOU need to educate her first...you know let her READ what youve read, maybe even makeup some sports doctors youve talked to on the subject....only after you get her a little bi-curios to learn more would you want to pop out Bigger Stronger Faster for the knock out punch... but set them jabs and combos up first before going for the win

If i get a DVD Rip of "Bigger,faster,stronger" i can edit that **** out..... Emmmm im on it already, off to demonoid.com for bit torrent download. Ill post my edited version of the movie should anyone ever have a need

Greg Valentino ? never heard of him

:thanks:

 

[edwitt]

all good suggestions thx ... Ill let you know the plan of attack