PH cycle am i missing anything?

**Topbod** · 03-02-2010 01:41 AM

Running a 6 week cycle of tren/hdrol the ph is called tren black it's 90mg tren/5mg ppflex

Tren- 90/90/90/90/90/90
hdrol-50/75/75/75/75/75
ppfelx is just 5mg b/c its in the ph

cycle supports/assists
Milk thistle
DHEA for lethargy i believe that's how you spell it
200mg p5p a day, 200mg b6,.5 arimidex eod since tren can cause prolactin i wanna be on the safe side, and if i already have prolactin induced gyno but got rid of it almost all of it but i don't want it to flare up during cycle or get worse.

PCT
Now help me out on this, i have perscribed nolva from a doc 10mg tabs for 30 days but ive herd this can cause gyno to get worse so is clomid a better option. or clomid+nolva? also after i run that i plan on using letro.

Please don't bash on me if i forgot anything but this is why i'm posting to be sure i didn't miss anything... thanks for the help in advance.

**Topbod** · 03-02-2010 12:59 PM

bump... =\

**lennoxchi** · 03-02-2010 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Topbod

Running a 6 week cycle of tren/hdrol the ph is called tren black it's 90mg tren/5mg ppflex

Tren- 90/90/90/90/90/90
hdrol-50/75/75/75/75/75
ppfelx is just 5mg b/c its in the ph

cycle supports/assists
Milk thistle
DHEA for lethargy i believe that's how you spell it
200mg p5p a day, 200mg b6,.5 arimidex eod since tren can cause prolactin i wanna be on the safe side, and if i already have prolactin induced gyno but got rid of it almost all of it but i don't want it to flare up during cycle or get worse.

PCT
Now help me out on this, i have perscribed nolva from a doc 10mg tabs for 30 days but ive herd this can cause gyno to get worse so is clomid a better option. or clomid+nolva? also after i run that i plan on using letro.

Please don't bash on me if i forgot anything but this is why i'm posting to be sure i didn't miss anything... thanks for the help in advance.

seriously doubt you're gonna need adex while on. and yes clomid instead of nolva is good. why do you want to run letro?

**Topbod** · 03-02-2010 01:50 PM

bc of my pre existing gyno so no adex? why not?

**sanchezgreg18** · 03-02-2010 02:23 PM

i dont see the need for Adex really , i mean if u havent purchased it id just get some formestane LV and take 1 or 2ml most before bed and thats gonna keep estro down. but id get clomid instead of nolva since it can effect the prog receptor i think is the reason behind not using clomid for Progestin based Ph.

**lennoxchi** · 03-02-2010 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Topbod

bc of my pre existing gyno so no adex? why not?

you don't have anything there that is going to aromitize. tren has prolactin issues, PP and hdrol you shouldn't have any estro issues. keep it for PCT

**Topbod** · 03-02-2010 05:18 PM

So no ai's while on the cycle? but everything else looks good? can i use nolva+clomid?

**justeat** · 03-02-2010 05:20 PM

I would deff recommend Higher doeses of nolva, mainly for the first week or two. many people who choose not to ramp down and hold the same dose for all of pct usually at least do it at higher doses, like 20mg a day.

For a 6 week cycle, I would go 40mg a day for week one, then ramp it down as follows:
40/30/20/20

I Also usually add in Clomid for the frist week or two of my PCT. Suggested dosing for pct including both nolva and clomid:
clomid: 100/50/0/0
Nolva: 20/40/30/20 ... then mabey 10 a day if needed

**Topbod** · 03-02-2010 05:30 PM

awesome thanks for the advice, but i still wanna know if i need an ai while on this cycle? i do have a small case of gyno and used letro for a month and got it down to as small as it's gonna get. but i wanna make sure it doesn't flare up or get any worse,

**justeat** · 03-02-2010 05:38 PM

well your SERM (nolva) is your main defense against gyno. An ai does prevent estrogen conversion, but not in the specific way that serms block breast tissue growth.

i personally do add in an ai, I like iforce reversitrol. I have added it in dosing it as prescribed starting in the second to last week of pct. The thought behind this is that its a step down in strength from nolva, and will help ween you off all this ****.

**Topbod** · 03-02-2010 05:40 PM

so reversitrol instead of an ai? and should i run it through my entire cycle or should i hold off on it and see if symponts of further gyno start producing?

**justeat** · 03-02-2010 06:04 PM

reversitrol is an AI. I suggest starting it in your second to last week of your pct.

(the reversitrol cycle is 4 weeks long. first two weeks with your nolva, then after you are done with nolva, the second two weeks alone.)

**Topbod** · 03-02-2010 06:08 PM

Okay i think i get what you are saying. or wait are you saying i should use nolva while on cycle? or are we talking about pct here?

**Topbod** · 03-02-2010 09:53 PM

bump

**lennoxchi** · 03-03-2010 05:45 AM

PCT:
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Adex, 6-oxo, reversitrol start 2 weeks after you start the Clomid and ramp it down just like the Clomid.
remember nolva and 19-nor products (tren) are a no-no it has a tendency to up-regulate the progestion receptor but i believe this can be debated, google it and research it. although with tren being a progestion, therefore causing a possible increase in prolactin (milk for you nipples) you might want to have something to address the prolactin issue and i believe caber will do this. do not confuse progestin induced gyno for estrogen induced

**Topbod** · 03-03-2010 12:18 PM

i appreciate the help... and i will let you guys know how my cycle goes, i start march 25th or so. also. since i have to bottles of tren should the longest i go is 6 weeks? or could i go to 8 weeks? or is that way to much.

**lennoxchi** · 03-03-2010 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Topbod

i appreciate the help... and i will let you guys know how my cycle goes, i start march 25th or so. also. since i have to bottles of tren should the longest i go is 6 weeks? or could i go to 8 weeks? or is that way to much.

longer you run something the more the chance of two things happening.
#1 the ph/ps will start producing gains
#2 you increase the likelihood of side effects which can range form BP issues to gyno

when you get to 5 weeks take an honest look at that time to determine if the sides and the gains are worth continuing.

**Topbod** · 03-03-2010 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by lennoxchi

longer you run something the more the chance of two things happening.
#1 the ph/ps will start producing gains
#2 you increase the likelihood of side effects which can range form BP issues to gyno

when you get to 5 weeks take an honest look at that time to determine if the sides and the gains are worth continuing.

alright man i appreciate it... i will do that. also should i be on b6 and p5p through the enitre cycle? i've herd to only use p5p and drop the b6 also since Tren Xtreme which is tren black (19-Nor) is not methylated - should i not use a Milk Thistle?

**sanchezgreg18** · 03-03-2010 04:45 PM

id keep the thistle because u still have that small amount of Phera in the ph ur taking. or even better would be 1G ALA, 1G NAC, and if u have extra cash SAM-E 400mg /day

**Topbod** · 03-03-2010 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by sanchezgreg18

id keep the thistle because u still have that small amount of Phera in the ph ur taking. or even better would be 1G ALA, 1G NAC, and if u have extra cash SAM-E 400mg /day

what the heck is same-e lol? and yeah i'm also taking h-drol. so instead of taking milk thistle you think i should take same-e or 1g ala?

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