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    Exclamation Superdrol misconception?


    Ok, I may be wrong but I was doing some reading and I'm just going to throw my findings out there. Superdrol is just a estrogen inhibitor just like anastrozol (arimidex/nolvedex) Correct? Superdrol is a methylated (oral/metabolized) non steroidal compound. Superdrol is a derivative of Masteron which is not methylated, and was designed originally for breast cancer due to its estrogen inhibiting properties. This is why Superdrol will not aromatize because its NOT testosterone and is ALREADY an estrogen inhibitor. This is why Masteron and Superdrol is stacked with testosterone steroids and prohormones. This is confusing why people are talking about PCT after a cycle of SD. SD is not androgenic, its anabolic, due to the fact it will raise testosterone levels by suppressing estrogen levels inhibiting enzymes from producing estrogen. If my assumption is wrong, I am sorry for the rant but I think I'm on track here. Also anyone high on taking anti ests all the time, they better rethink their strategy. Estrogen plays a huge part in the male body. Cardiovascular health and bone density are just to major factors. You may end up breaking a hip in your 40s because your bone density is weaksauce due to all the anti ests you took for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysannn22 View Post
    Ok, I may be wrong but I was doing some reading and I'm just going to throw my findings out there. Superdrol is just a estrogen inhibitor just like anastrozol (arimidex/nolvedex) Correct? Superdrol is a methylated (oral/metabolized) non steroidal compound. Superdrol is a derivative of Masteron which is not methylated, and was designed originally for breast cancer due to its estrogen inhibiting properties. This is why Superdrol will not aromatize because its NOT testosterone and is ALREADY an estrogen inhibitor. This is why Masteron and Superdrol is stacked with testosterone steroids and prohormones. This is confusing why people are talking about PCT after a cycle of SD. SD is not androgenic, its anabolic, due to the fact it will raise testosterone levels by suppressing estrogen levels inhibiting enzymes from producing estrogen. If my assumption is wrong, I am sorry for the rant but I think I'm on track here. Also anyone high on taking anti ests all the time, they better rethink their strategy. Estrogen plays a huge part in the male body. Cardiovascular health and bone density are just to major factors. You may end up breaking a hip in your 40s because your bone density is weaksauce due to all the anti ests you took for years.

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    I just couldnt read what he typed. I suggest not posting at 4 am anymore lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    I just couldnt read what he typed. I suggest not posting at 4 am anymore lol.

    LMAO... a valid suggestion!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Brown View Post
    LMAO... a valid suggestion!
    I mean I do it on a regular basis but I think he should be instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysannn22 View Post
    Ok, I may be wrong
    I agree with the above statement.

    You have a slight point on estrogen being an important part of our over all health but in the context which you are using the word, you missed the boat.

    The rest you should research again.
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    Whoa, hey guys, this is just my take on things. its just speculation. I never said I'm right and everyone who opposes is wrong. Im just doing reading ( like most people should do) before asking questions. I am just trying to figure out things as I go. Fuk, people, whats with all the hostility? Plus i never said PCT was just about anti est. I just stated that SD alone has its own anti est properties and doesnt aromatise so anti ests arent needed IN A PCT. If this is how people are going to treat others when they speculate or talk about certain topics, this place isnt worth the hassle. Robkaige, your response was helpful but rude and immature. You acted as i just insulted your mother? I had even stated that I MAY BE WRONG therefore i was admitting i wasnt sure. All you other people who just jumped in to make fun, are fukin heroes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysannn22 View Post

    This confirms what I was saying. Superdrol is a drug that suppresses est and therefore increases test. Methylation really is just the process to have the drug taken orally to survive the liver once passing into the blood stream.
    then please run it and get bloodwork done on cycle and post it up
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    dude, you are an idiot who doesnt understand the science you are reading. So go ahead, do it... run superdrol with no pct, just promise us all you have no one to blame but yourself for any negative effects afterwords.

    It may be your speculation... but your speculation is WRONG.
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    Wow. Who am I to say, but this board has no happy medium at times. You have the camp that just says "go do research". Then another camp that, when you do research and post subsequent questions, you "fail" i think is the term above. Don't question anything, don't ask for scientific proof. There are only a very few helpful people on here I have found.

    Kids get on here with questions. Instead of a link to a posting with proof of why they shouldn't (I know, it will get old fast), they're just berated for being a retard. That benefits.....um....nobody.

    So instead of having an intelligable reply folks post "fail" (why, maybe so their post count goes up). Then you'll get the folks that think they can post better than "fail" by quoting it and doing so with a picture. What a waste of bandwidth. If your so knowledgable, constructively provide feedback. It's not that hard folks.


    It's too bad that there was only one good posting so far, only to "fail" at the end of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jstraughn View Post
    Wow. Who am I to say, but this board has no happy medium at times. You have the camp that just says "go do research". Then another camp that, when you do research and post subsequent questions, you "fail" i think is the term above. Don't question anything, don't ask for scientific proof. There are only a very few helpful people on here I have found.

    Kids get on here with questions. Instead of a link to a posting with proof of why they shouldn't (I know, it will get old fast), they're just berated for being a retard. That benefits.....um....nobody.

    So instead of having an intelligable reply folks post "fail" (why, maybe so their post count goes up). Then you'll get the folks that think they can post better than "fail" by quoting it and doing so with a picture. What a waste of bandwidth. If your so knowledgable, constructively provide feedback. It's not that hard folks.


    It's too bad that there was only one good posting so far, only to "fail" at the end of it.
    Is this the OP with a different user name you both have very few posts and both of you joined this month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigchourico View Post
    Is this the OP with a different user name you both have very few posts and both of you joined this month.
    Um no. I'm currently using Superdrone. OP has questions about it. I do not. maybe look at actual previous posts from both of us. You decide.
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    WTF lol Superdrol is not a steroid? LOL, is there even a stronger oral out there?
    Ive taken dbol at 50mg/day and mdrol at 20mg/day, for size gains mdrol beat dbol by a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jstraughn View Post
    Um no. I'm currently using Superdrone. OP has questions about it. I do not. maybe look at actual previous posts from both of us. You decide.
    Just a question I thought you didn't mind people asking questions..
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    [QUOTE=jstraughn;2324356] If your so knowledgable, constructively provide feedback. It's not that hard folks.
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    "if your so knowledgable" looks so funny when there is a grammar and spelling mistake in the phrase... i believe what you were looking for is "if YOU'RE so KNOWLEDGEABLE"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigchourico View Post
    Just a question I thought you didn't mind people asking questions..
    I answered. I didn't say "FAIL....we are not the same person"....lol. Sorry if you took my answer wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jstraughn View Post
    If your so knowledgable, constructively provide feedback. It's not that hard folks.
    QUOTE]

    "if your so knowledgable" looks so funny when there is a grammar and spelling mistake in the phrase... i believe what you were looking for is "if YOU'RE so KNOWLEDGEABLE"
    You got me. Long Friday for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysannn22 View Post
    This confirms what I was saying. Superdrol is a drug that suppresses est and therefore increases test. Methylation really is just the process to have the drug taken orally to survive the liver once passing into the blood stream.
    You have a very limited knowledge base and lots of what say is very false.

    Let's talk human physiology and endocrinology...

    Basic fact: estrogen comes from test conversion by use of the enzyme aromatase.

    When you introduce a aas into the body your body will slowly stop your natural production of test. And if taken taken long enough total shutdown will occur.

    When you start taking nonaromatizing aas, your body production of test slows and since the compound can't aromatize to an estrogenic compound both levels will decrease. It is way more complicated because u also have SHGB that can occur to free up test which can convert to estrogen.

    SD does not have anti estrogen effects. It can lower estrogen because it causes test production shutdown. Because if u have no test then u have nothing to convert to estrogen. But SD DEFINATELY doesn't raise test levels!!!

    If u really want to learn about this stuff check out the books SR's anabolic pharmacology or William L anabolics.

    On another note... We may sound like a$$holes when we say "go research" or "no that wrong" and not most of our intent. You don't have to understand the scientific ins and outs of what u are using... What we mean us know what u are using, why u r using it, how to properly use it, how to recover from it and we will help guide u once we see effort has been made. Often there are too many people that post here that want use to tell them exactly what to do and put no effort in.
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    Fact : SD is a steroid.
    Fact : If you do not run proper PCT, you will end up with some very negative sides (and loose what you've gained)
    Fact : SD is NOT for newbies, and SD can produce some pretty negative sides, it is one of the harshest orals around.

    If you know what your doing, SD can give you great gains with low sides. If you don't know what your doing, your going to most likely end up screwing up your body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysannn22 View Post
    Robkaige this from your statement,

    Methyldrostanolone is a C-17 alpha alkylated steroid, originally developed by the American pharmaceutical company Syntex. This steroid is already active and does not require conversion. Methyldrostanolone is the 17aa version of the injectable steroid drostanolone (Masteron). This extra methylation makes this steroid about 3-4x more anabolic than Masteron, and slightly more anabolic than oxandrolone (Anavar). Due to the dimethylation, the toxicity of methyldrostanolone is greater than most other oral steroids. There have been many reported cases of heptatoxicity with this compound. (1-3)

    Despite the fact that methyldrostanolone is a DHT derivative and cannot convert to estrogen, some users have still reported gyno like symptoms during or after a cycle. This effect is likely related to the strong SHBG binding effect and increase in freely circulating estrogen (and testosterone) from SHBG. Gyno symptoms may also be related to the fact that methldrostanolone lacks a strong DHT metabolite to antagonize the effects of estrogen (while also having a relatively low intrinsic androgenic value).


    This confirms what I was saying. Superdrol is a drug that suppresses est and therefore increases test. Methylation really is just the process to have the drug taken orally to survive the liver once passing into the blood stream.
    No, it doesn't confirm doodly squat. It says it doesn't "antagonize the effects of estrogen", not it lowers estrogen. And an effect of lowering estrogen itself doesn't guarantee raising testosterone levels as you can also be lowering estrogen levels by lowering.... testosterone levels.

    Its like saying that since raising pulse rate generally raises blood pressure that something that doesn't raise your blood pressure must not be raising your pulse. Just a bad logic chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jstraughn View Post
    So instead of having an intelligable reply folks post "fail" (why, maybe so their post count goes up). Then you'll get the folks that think they can post better than "fail" by quoting it and doing so with a picture. What a waste of bandwidth. If your so knowledgable, constructively provide feedback. It's not that hard folks.


    It's too bad that there was only one good posting so far, only to "fail" at the end of it.

    I thought my picture beautifully illustrated the point Urbanski was attempting to convey. It serves a higher purpose you see. Jeez, don't be such a Debbie Downer bro. You gotta see the brighter side of any situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    No, it doesn't confirm doodly squat. It says it doesn't "antagonize the effects of estrogen", not it lowers estrogen. And an effect of lowering estrogen itself doesn't guarantee raising testosterone levels as you can also be lowering estrogen levels by lowering.... testosterone levels.

    Its like saying that since raising pulse rate generally raises blood pressure that something that doesn't raise your blood pressure must not be raising your pulse. Just a bad logic chain.
    Well I will not argue i am wrong. I just wanted some answers and commentary on what I HAD THOUGHT was the situation. Im glad some of you are actually being mature and civil with some of your info. How exactly does SD work on the body to produce an anabolic effect is all i was really trying to get at. In laymens terms. Remember, I am an "Idiot" according to Robkaige...
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    You got me. Long Friday for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysannn22 View Post
    SD is not androgenic, its anabolic, due to the fact it will raise testosterone levels by suppressing estrogen levels inhibiting enzymes from producing estrogen.
    keep in mind that your body wants to maintain an equilibrium between test and estrogen (normally). your body assumes that the primary mass builder is testosterone, and by taking in anything that replaces natural test levels, and is obviously more potent, your body decides "why produce test if it isn't doing anything". this is clearly shown in low sex drive while on cycle, and is similar to how the body does not produce a remedy for a cold daily but waits until it needs the antibodies. it therefore then raises estrogen to balance out the new primary muscle builder, which is no longer testosterone, but SD.

    so you'll crash your test levels, and skyrocket estrogen. now SD won't cause "gyno" per se, but an improper PCT surely will, as every log with a crappy PCT has shown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysannn22 View Post
    I just stated that SD alone has its own anti est properties and doesnt aromatise so anti ests arent needed IN A PCT.
    SD won't aromatize, but testosterone does to some degree, which is a bad thing to have happen when you've already got low test from a cycle. running an AI for PCT in my opinion is clearly optional. some report a noticeable improvement, others not so much. google search the AI properties of testosterone, or read the link below.

    anabolic extreme articles

    "For the second problem listed in the Introduction, gynecomastia ("bitch tits"), testosterone does not cause this problem directly. Instead, testosterone can be converted (by the aromatase enzyme) into estrogen, which can cause the problem."
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    Thanks that was helpful. I have anastrozole for an estrogen inhibitor and what i was trying to avoid was just taking 2 anti ests. I wasnt sure and thats why i said (im not sure) at the beginning of the thread, but i was speculating that it seemed like SD acted much like masteron and sounded really just like a aromatase inhibitor. I appreciate your time, im glad you didnt just bash me like most people here. Im new, im not experienced, but i was just trying to understand something and wanted feedback. The bashers shouldnt do that to people, that discourages people to ask for help or advice because if they dont get the help or advice they need they may hurt themselves. Plus i thought advice, questions, and commentary was the whole idea of this forum anyway...
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    sometimes my comments are equally harsh - you caught me on a good day
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    sometimes my comments are equally harsh - you caught me on a good day
    If you dont mind, how exactly does SD or its clones create a "steroidal" or anabolic effect on the body? This is what i was trying to find out. I guess my question got lost in all of the confusion...
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    its stronger than your natty test levels, so the anabolic effect is noted. if the amount of SD isn't enough to increase your strength, the anabolic effects are not noted.

    for example, if you were to take 2mg of superdrol per day, i bet you would have no noted effect on gains. so by increasing that amount of SD to 5mg or 10mg or higher, you notice an increase above what your natty test levels will give you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    its stronger than your natty test levels, so the anabolic effect is noted. if the amount of SD isn't enough to increase your strength, the anabolic effects are not noted.

    for example, if you were to take 2mg of superdrol per day, i bet you would have no noted effect on gains. so by increasing that amount of SD to 5mg or 10mg or higher, you notice an increase above what your natty test levels will give you.
    So SD converts to Test or does it act as the same and has the same effects as tests except without aromatization? and that is why a high daily dose (20-30mg) is necessary for gains?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysannn22 View Post
    So SD converts to Test or does it act as the same and has the same effects as tests except without aromatization? and that is why a high daily dose (20-30mg) is necessary for gains?
    Man It's an Anabolic Steroid..
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    Jaysannn, I highly recommend reading Seth Robert's "Anabolic Pharmacology." (Or something similar) The questions you are asking do not have the most simple answers. It is clear you are trying to learn more about how these things work, which is great. There are also many different sources of info on the subject, but this book is one of the most well rounded and laid out presentations I have seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattikus View Post
    Jaysannn, I highly recommend reading Seth Robert's "Anabolic Pharmacology." (Or something similar) The questions you are asking do not have the most simple answers. It is clear you are trying to learn more about how these things work, which is great. There are also many different sources of info on the subject, but this book is one of the most well rounded and laid out presentations I have seen.
    thanks and thats appreciated. i'll check that out for sure.
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    read that please, explains exactly what SD is. aka steroid

    ps. its a hell of a great one at that
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    "Coming across as a clever and pretentious OP and asserting your theories on a topic you clearly know nothing about...

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    This is what I really wanted to ask, with all of the info floating around, where did you come up with that opening statement?
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