- 02-26-2010, 04:27 AM
Ok, I may be wrong but I was doing some reading and I'm just going to throw my findings out there. Superdrol is just a estrogen inhibitor just like anastrozol (arimidex/nolvedex) Correct? Superdrol is a methylated (oral/metabolized) non steroidal compound. Superdrol is a derivative of Masteron which is not methylated, and was designed originally for breast cancer due to its estrogen inhibiting properties. This is why Superdrol will not aromatize because its NOT testosterone and is ALREADY an estrogen inhibitor. This is why Masteron and Superdrol is stacked with testosterone steroids and prohormones. This is confusing why people are talking about PCT after a cycle of SD. SD is not androgenic, its anabolic, due to the fact it will raise testosterone levels by suppressing estrogen levels inhibiting enzymes from producing estrogen. If my assumption is wrong, I am sorry for the rant but I think I'm on track here. Also anyone high on taking anti ests all the time, they better rethink their strategy. Estrogen plays a huge part in the male body. Cardiovascular health and bone density are just to major factors. You may end up breaking a hip in your 40s because your bone density is weaksauce due to all the anti ests you took for years.
- 02-26-2010, 06:50 AM
- 02-26-2010, 08:39 AM
02-26-2010, 09:05 AM
02-26-2010, 10:11 AM
02-26-2010, 10:13 AM
02-26-2010, 10:27 AM
02-26-2010, 10:49 AM
02-26-2010, 02:31 PM
Whoa, hey guys, this is just my take on things. its just speculation. I never said I'm right and everyone who opposes is wrong. Im just doing reading ( like most people should do) before asking questions. I am just trying to figure out things as I go. Fuk, people, whats with all the hostility? Plus i never said PCT was just about anti est. I just stated that SD alone has its own anti est properties and doesnt aromatise so anti ests arent needed IN A PCT. If this is how people are going to treat others when they speculate or talk about certain topics, this place isnt worth the hassle. Robkaige, your response was helpful but rude and immature. You acted as i just insulted your mother? I had even stated that I MAY BE WRONG therefore i was admitting i wasnt sure. All you other people who just jumped in to make fun, are fukin heroes.
02-26-2010, 02:49 PM
02-26-2010, 03:06 PM
dude, you are an idiot who doesnt understand the science you are reading. So go ahead, do it... run superdrol with no pct, just promise us all you have no one to blame but yourself for any negative effects afterwords.
It may be your speculation... but your speculation is WRONG.
02-26-2010, 03:11 PM
02-26-2010, 03:15 PM
Wow. Who am I to say, but this board has no happy medium at times. You have the camp that just says "go do research". Then another camp that, when you do research and post subsequent questions, you "fail" i think is the term above. Don't question anything, don't ask for scientific proof. There are only a very few helpful people on here I have found.
Kids get on here with questions. Instead of a link to a posting with proof of why they shouldn't (I know, it will get old fast), they're just berated for being a retard. That benefits.....um....nobody.
So instead of having an intelligable reply folks post "fail" (why, maybe so their post count goes up). Then you'll get the folks that think they can post better than "fail" by quoting it and doing so with a picture. What a waste of bandwidth. If your so knowledgable, constructively provide feedback. It's not that hard folks.
It's too bad that there was only one good posting so far, only to "fail" at the end of it.
02-26-2010, 03:36 PM
02-26-2010, 03:39 PM
02-26-2010, 03:41 PM
WTF lol Superdrol is not a steroid? LOL, is there even a stronger oral out there?
Ive taken dbol at 50mg/day and mdrol at 20mg/day, for size gains mdrol beat dbol by a lot.
02-26-2010, 03:42 PM
02-26-2010, 03:44 PM
02-26-2010, 03:45 PM
[QUOTE=jstraughn;2324356] If your so knowledgable, constructively provide feedback. It's not that hard folks.
"if your so knowledgable" looks so funny when there is a grammar and spelling mistake in the phrase... i believe what you were looking for is "if YOU'RE so KNOWLEDGEABLE"
02-26-2010, 03:45 PM
02-26-2010, 03:48 PM
02-26-2010, 04:03 PM
Let's talk human physiology and endocrinology...
Basic fact: estrogen comes from test conversion by use of the enzyme aromatase.
When you introduce a aas into the body your body will slowly stop your natural production of test. And if taken taken long enough total shutdown will occur.
When you start taking nonaromatizing aas, your body production of test slows and since the compound can't aromatize to an estrogenic compound both levels will decrease. It is way more complicated because u also have SHGB that can occur to free up test which can convert to estrogen.
SD does not have anti estrogen effects. It can lower estrogen because it causes test production shutdown. Because if u have no test then u have nothing to convert to estrogen. But SD DEFINATELY doesn't raise test levels!!!
If u really want to learn about this stuff check out the books SR's anabolic pharmacology or William L anabolics.
On another note... We may sound like a$$holes when we say "go research" or "no that wrong" and not most of our intent. You don't have to understand the scientific ins and outs of what u are using... What we mean us know what u are using, why u r using it, how to properly use it, how to recover from it and we will help guide u once we see effort has been made. Often there are too many people that post here that want use to tell them exactly what to do and put no effort in.
02-26-2010, 04:44 PM
Fact : SD is a steroid.
Fact : If you do not run proper PCT, you will end up with some very negative sides (and loose what you've gained)
Fact : SD is NOT for newbies, and SD can produce some pretty negative sides, it is one of the harshest orals around.
If you know what your doing, SD can give you great gains with low sides. If you don't know what your doing, your going to most likely end up screwing up your body.
02-26-2010, 04:56 PM
Its like saying that since raising pulse rate generally raises blood pressure that something that doesn't raise your blood pressure must not be raising your pulse. Just a bad logic chain.
02-26-2010, 05:13 PM
02-26-2010, 05:16 PM
02-26-2010, 05:23 PM
02-26-2010, 05:28 PM
so you'll crash your test levels, and skyrocket estrogen. now SD won't cause "gyno" per se, but an improper PCT surely will, as every log with a crappy PCT has shown.
anabolic extreme articles
"For the second problem listed in the Introduction, gynecomastia ("bitch tits"), testosterone does not cause this problem directly. Instead, testosterone can be converted (by the aromatase enzyme) into estrogen, which can cause the problem."
02-26-2010, 05:45 PM
Thanks that was helpful. I have anastrozole for an estrogen inhibitor and what i was trying to avoid was just taking 2 anti ests. I wasnt sure and thats why i said (im not sure) at the beginning of the thread, but i was speculating that it seemed like SD acted much like masteron and sounded really just like a aromatase inhibitor. I appreciate your time, im glad you didnt just bash me like most people here. Im new, im not experienced, but i was just trying to understand something and wanted feedback. The bashers shouldnt do that to people, that discourages people to ask for help or advice because if they dont get the help or advice they need they may hurt themselves. Plus i thought advice, questions, and commentary was the whole idea of this forum anyway...
02-26-2010, 05:46 PM
02-26-2010, 06:12 PM
02-26-2010, 06:20 PM
its stronger than your natty test levels, so the anabolic effect is noted. if the amount of SD isn't enough to increase your strength, the anabolic effects are not noted.
for example, if you were to take 2mg of superdrol per day, i bet you would have no noted effect on gains. so by increasing that amount of SD to 5mg or 10mg or higher, you notice an increase above what your natty test levels will give you.
02-26-2010, 07:21 PM
02-26-2010, 08:27 PM
02-26-2010, 08:29 PM
Jaysannn, I highly recommend reading Seth Robert's "Anabolic Pharmacology." (Or something similar) The questions you are asking do not have the most simple answers. It is clear you are trying to learn more about how these things work, which is great. There are also many different sources of info on the subject, but this book is one of the most well rounded and laid out presentations I have seen.
02-26-2010, 08:35 PM
02-26-2010, 09:52 PM
02-27-2010, 12:33 AM
"Coming across as a clever and pretentious OP and asserting your theories on a topic you clearly know nothing about...
Is very similar to an old car with bad timing and fouled spark plugs...
It often backfires."
02-27-2010, 01:34 AM
02-27-2010, 02:00 AM
This is what I really wanted to ask, with all of the info floating around, where did you come up with that opening statement?
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