WClayB
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{First, please no flames on PH's, I know some of your opinions already,thanks}
I sent this prototype stack to a friend and he made some drastic changes. I would value all of your assessments. Nutrition, vitamins, workout, all assumed OK. Very comprehensive bloodwork done yesterday, too soon for results.
My stack as originally designed (to start in a few weeks or so):
day 1 to 11, 40 mcg igf [25 days=1 vial]
day 12 to 25, 40 mcg igf; 15 mg m1t; ramp up to full 4 ad transdermal.
day 26 to 33, 1-test TD, 4 ad TD
day 34 to 42, ramp down 1 test TD, 4 ad TD
day 43 to 71, 6 0x0
day 43 to 71, if any signs nolva needed, start at 40 mg ramp down to zero
My reasoning: First get some new cell growth. Then bulk it aggressively with m1t for 2 weeks. Quit m1t because I can't go more time, or sides kick in hard. Switch to 1 test since I like it and I have a bunch. 4ad throughout to add 'animal attitude'. Taper off to none, avoids sudden swings, reduces estradiol spikes. 6 oxo pct, with nolva backup. I don't want to use nolva unless needed. I might be talked into a testicle restarter around day 40 for a couple days.
My friend's suggested alteration (and reasoning):
"since IGF solidify gains after bulking/androgen cycle. i sugest you run you run the IGF after finish your finish from m1t/tT/4-ad during the PCT. plus your running the 1-test 4-ad for very short time. and you dont need the 1-test IMO when running M1t. use nolva instead of 60x0 if u can.
"that will be somthing like that:
"28 days (3 weeks) m1t 10 mg ED
28 days 4-ad 600-900 mg transdermally
days from 29 to 57 day 40 mcg IGF-1 Long R3 at 40 mcg (25 days)
nolva at 40mg ed for 2 weeks after m1t/4-ad. then another 2 weeks at 20 mg ed.
"i read alot about IGF, but to be honest im not an expert about this stuff. as i never used it before. i can help you more in the androgens/ supplement field. why dont post and ask if your cycle looks ok at AM board. there are many knoledgable bros there. i can start you a thread if u want to ask about your cycle."
Thanks,
~C
I sent this prototype stack to a friend and he made some drastic changes. I would value all of your assessments. Nutrition, vitamins, workout, all assumed OK. Very comprehensive bloodwork done yesterday, too soon for results.
My stack as originally designed (to start in a few weeks or so):
day 1 to 11, 40 mcg igf [25 days=1 vial]
day 12 to 25, 40 mcg igf; 15 mg m1t; ramp up to full 4 ad transdermal.
day 26 to 33, 1-test TD, 4 ad TD
day 34 to 42, ramp down 1 test TD, 4 ad TD
day 43 to 71, 6 0x0
day 43 to 71, if any signs nolva needed, start at 40 mg ramp down to zero
My reasoning: First get some new cell growth. Then bulk it aggressively with m1t for 2 weeks. Quit m1t because I can't go more time, or sides kick in hard. Switch to 1 test since I like it and I have a bunch. 4ad throughout to add 'animal attitude'. Taper off to none, avoids sudden swings, reduces estradiol spikes. 6 oxo pct, with nolva backup. I don't want to use nolva unless needed. I might be talked into a testicle restarter around day 40 for a couple days.
My friend's suggested alteration (and reasoning):
"since IGF solidify gains after bulking/androgen cycle. i sugest you run you run the IGF after finish your finish from m1t/tT/4-ad during the PCT. plus your running the 1-test 4-ad for very short time. and you dont need the 1-test IMO when running M1t. use nolva instead of 60x0 if u can.
"that will be somthing like that:
"28 days (3 weeks) m1t 10 mg ED
28 days 4-ad 600-900 mg transdermally
days from 29 to 57 day 40 mcg IGF-1 Long R3 at 40 mcg (25 days)
nolva at 40mg ed for 2 weeks after m1t/4-ad. then another 2 weeks at 20 mg ed.
"i read alot about IGF, but to be honest im not an expert about this stuff. as i never used it before. i can help you more in the androgens/ supplement field. why dont post and ask if your cycle looks ok at AM board. there are many knoledgable bros there. i can start you a thread if u want to ask about your cycle."
Thanks,
~C
