Bulking up with PP's LV Technology

[SWrubel23]

Hey all. Mostly do research on AM, but figured I would post this cycle up and get any critiques or help. I love PP's products and figured I would log this cycle because I know I will see great results. I won't be running this until late-April, but I like to have everything prepared and set up well before hand. So here it goes...

Stats:
Age: 25
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 218 lbs, currently on a lean bulk after a 8 week cut from December through mid-January so weight should be around 225 by the beginning of the cycle.
BF %: 9ish, visible abs. Veins in lower abs, but I tend to carry my weight in my lower stomach area.
Lifting experience: Lifted all through HS. Serious powerlifting for 4 years of college and have been bodybuilding for the last 2 years.
Goal: Gain a good 10-12 lbs of quality muscle mass without much change in BF%. After my last "big" bulk (P-Plex/M-Drol bridge run along side 1-T topical) I ended up at 240lbs with great strength, but was a little too puffy for my liking. Ideal would be around 235 lbs and 8-9ish% BF.

Cycle:
Superdrone-LV: 10/10/20/20 (possibly 30 on the last week, will depend on how I feel)
Tren-LV: 135/135/135/135 (Max dosage essentially)
Sustain Alpha (4 days on/3 off): 10/10/10/10
Liver Juice: 10/10/10/10
Opti-Men: 3 caps/day
Vitex: 1200 mg/day
P-5-P: 4 caps/day
Cycle Assist: 8 caps/day (pre-load for 2 weeks)
Purple InTrain: 2 scoops/lifting days
Somnidren-GH (5 on/2 off): 1 scoop

PCT:
Torem (liquid): 120/90/60/30
Exemestane: 0.25mg/ED
Phyto-Test: 4/4/4/4
Primal Male (5 on/2 off): 6/6/6/6
Drive: 4/4/4/4
RPM: 5/5/5/5
Prime: 6/9 protocol to maintain gains
Opti-Men: 3 caps/day
Liver Juice: 10 mL/day
PowerFull: 4/4/4/4
Reduce XT: 3/3/3/3
Anabolic Pump: 3/3/3/3
NeoVar: 6/6/6/6

I throw a lot into PCT simply because I think it's better to go overboard and maintain as much as possible than to end up short. Any changes or suggestions are welcome, as I stated I won't be starting this more a little while so feel free to let me know what you think.

[andro]

looks like you covered all bases. you gonna take taurine while on,or does purple INTRAIN have it in it?

[SWrubel23]

InTrain doesn't have any taurine, but in all honesty I've never had any issues with back or calf pumps while on any of the SD clones. If it does become an issue I will pick up some bulk taurine from NP and add 5g to InTrain and sip[pre- and intra-W/O. Thanks much for your input.

[SWrubel23]

Bump for Trauma or Eric...do you guys think checks out? Experienced with PH's, but with Tren and Superdrone I definitely want to make sure everything is kosher. Thanks in advance!

[ZoomZoom88]

everything looks good to me bro... i did a xtren/mdrol stack last year and everything you got here is gtg..... you can take a look at my blood work on here if you want...

I wanna try this new liquid sd clone pp has..

[bulldogz]

Look great, but me personally...I think that the doses are a lil high for the LV form of these products.

Everything will get to your system faster and they have a much higher absorption rate....just 45mg of tren lv ed is like taking 90-120mg ed in pill form

maybe something like...
sd 5/5/10/10
tren 45/45/90/90

[SWrubel23]

Bulldogz, I was wondering about that actually with the LV supposedly making the absorption 20-30% better I wasn't sure if "normal" dosing would work or not. I'll keep that in mind and refigure my numbers.

Thanks for the replies, I greatly appreciate the feedback.

[UKStrength]

Bump for Trauma or Eric...do you guys think checks out? Experienced with PH's, but with Tren and Superdrone I definitely want to make sure everything is kosher. Thanks in advance!

The cycle looks awesome to me mate, only thing I'd remove is the Exemestane from the PCT (unnecessary and will drive Oestrogen too low IMO from a non-aromatising cycle).

Will be keeping a close eye on this one, as it's a possible cycle of my own in the future!

[SWrubel23]

Thanks UK! Will drop the exemestane then. I normally go with Torem, Sustain Alpha, Phyto-Test, Primal Male and Drive for the SERM/t-boosting/mild anti-e/libido portion of PCT, but wasn't sure what would be needed due to the higher potency from the LV-technology.

Should I stick with Torem/Phyto/Primal Male/Drive or should I throw Sustain Alpha in PCT on the 5 on/2 off protocol as well? Again thanks for the feedback, I seriously can't wait to get this cycle started, but I'm extremely strict with the "time on = time off" philosophy and need to wait a little longer.

[bulldogz]

sounds good bro...I'm also working on a similar cycle for myself in the furture, might just throw in 4ad myself...so keep us posted mang!

[SWrubel23]

Ok, just an update after doing a little bit more thinking. Like I said, this cycle is still taking shape but as of right now it looks like:

Cycle:
Superdrone-LV: 10/10/20/20 (possibly 30 on the last week, will depend on how I feel)
Tren-LV: 135/135/135/135 (Max dosage essentially)
Dermacrine-LV: 10/10/10/10
Liver Juice: 10/10/10/10
Opti-Men: 3 caps/day
Vitex: 1200 mg/day
P-5-P: 4 caps/day
Cycle Assist: 8 caps/day (pre-load for 2 weeks)
Purple InTrain: 2 scoops/lifting days
Somnidren-GH (5 on/2 off): 1 scoop

PCT:
Torem (liquid): 120/90/60/30
Sustain Alpha: 10/10/10/10
Phyto-Test: 4/4/4/4
Primal Male (5 on/2 off): 6/6/6/6
Prime: 6/9 protocol to maintain gains
Opti-Men: 3 caps/day
Liver Juice: 10 mL/day
HGH Up: 5/5/5/5
Reduce XT: 3/3/3/3
GPLC: 6/6/6/6
NitroCeps: 4/4/4/4
NO Synthesize: 1 scoop/day

[CodyK7]

Superdrone-LV: 10/10/20/20
Tren-LV: 135/135/135/135 (Max dosage essentially)

Isn't this alot? Why not just sd or tren why both.

[SWrubel23]

The Superdrone dosing will be fine, but I may back the Tren down to 90mg instead if I notice any issues.

Combining the two will give better strength and lean mass than alone. I am very knowledgeable when it comes to PH/DS's and know how my body reacts. I have used several SD clones and react very well too them, and have used PP's 1-T Tren topical and had amazing results with that as well. The olny designer I would run solo at this point is Alpha One, which I will give a go some other time.

Thank you for the question though. If I had been newer to these compounds I wouldn't run them together.

[fightbackhxc]

subbed man for sure.

[xx Zues xx]

Pct Overkill!

[bigzach1234]

dude i like your pct alot man... especially for such a harsh cycle.. looks real good... how bad was the shutdown on your last cycle... was libido completely shot by the second week or what?

also... with all the money your spending on this cycle... your missing something that would be the most essential... why not at least throw low dose of some test in there.. im sure you willbe happy u did..

[SWrubel23]

Welcome fightback, glad you are along for the ride!

PCT is always overkill for me. At this point in my PH/DS experience I usually am working with/stacking harsh, explosive compounds so I want to make sure I not only keep the gains I make, but fully recover as quickly and efficiently as possible. The only thing I may change is to just go with Pre Max instead of the NitroCeps/GPLC combo just because I love PP that damn much lol. Honestly though, I've used everyone of these products, love them, know they work for me and have the money so why not go all out I guess.

Bigzach, thanks for the PCT comment, and yes, I was shut WAY down after the 3 week. I did Phera 30/30/30/30/0/0, M-Drol 0/0/10/10/20/30, with 1-T the whole 6 weeks, but damn, the gains made it fun. I went from 220ish to 242 lbs, with great strength gains. Obviously some fat gain because I was eating everything in sight, but I essentially used the same PCT (Torem/Sustain/Phyto/Primal Male) and ran it into a BET stack + TD form which brought me back to normal. I have been considering adding test since I formulated this all to be honest, and completely agree with you, I'd be damn happy to add it and there really is no reason not too. I do have a little time before I start so I'll keep thinking about it.

Once again, I appreciate all the feedback from everyone and am open to any suggestions/comments/etc.

[Dragon13]

Thanks UK! Will drop the exemestane then. I normally go with Torem, Sustain Alpha, Phyto-Test, Primal Male and Drive for the SERM/t-boosting/mild anti-e/libido portion of PCT, but wasn't sure what would be needed due to the higher potency from the LV-technology.

Should I stick with Torem/Phyto/Primal Male/Drive or should I throw Sustain Alpha in PCT on the 5 on/2 off protocol as well? Again thanks for the feedback, I seriously can't wait to get this cycle started, but I'm extremely strict with the "time on = time off" philosophy and need to wait a little longer.

I wouldn't do that. Even tapering the SERM, circulating estrogen has a very good chance to still be high by the time you come off - bam, potential rebound gyno. Remember, SERMs only block estrogens' effects in breast tissue (among other things), and boosting T will boost E with it. You could very well be left with an undesirable high-E situation without using an AI on such a suppressive cycle.

In fact, here is a fantastic thread for you to take a look at from over at PHF. The OP, in fact, ran the exact same cycle as you, and had great results with a Torem PCT: http://www.prohormoneforum.com/blood...t-sd-tren.html

**I have trumpeted Torem before, PHF dude had tremendous resuslts, so I'll pat myself on the back here.**

Anyway, notice how his estradiol is high post-PCT! You need to not only control E with the SERM, but bring it back down from the high-T environment you hopefully will be in. However, I wouldn't run the exem directly after the cycle either. IMO, the best approach is to start your AI in week 3 of PCT, then slowly taper it down over 4-5 weeks. As E follows T, and your natural T levels stabilize (lower than the SERM-assisted levels), this plan allows you to stay "in front" of E by lowering it more quickly than the body would as your T declines.

It's late and I'm tired so I rambled a bit, not my finest post but I hope it makes sense. Let me know if you need more info.

[SWrubel23]

So Dragon, would you suggest something like this then?

Exemestane: 0/0/0.5/0.5/0.25/0.25 ED?

Thanks for your help. I love torem as well. Never really used clomid, but torem destroys nolva in turns of efficiency.

[Dragon13]

So Dragon, would you suggest something like this then?

Exemestane: 0/0/0.5/0.5/0.25/0.25 ED?

Thanks for your help. I love torem as well. Never really used clomid, but torem destroys nolva in turns of efficiency.

That dosing is way off. It looks like you may have exemestane (Aromasin) confused with Letro.

So before I answer - what exactly do you have?