tpd01883
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First and foremost, I would like to state that this is NOT about me. So please no flaming. I'm well read on the topics of prohormones, and anabolics in general and would not have made this mistake. I'm worried about a friend of mine who I found out yesterday has been taking a product called "Mass Extreme 2" from Nutrashop. A few weeks ago the buzz around my gym, was that all PH's currently available were going to be banned. As a result a bunch of guys ran over to nutrashop(where they got this info from) and bought out as many ph's as they possibly could.
My friend was complaining of general lethargy throughout the day, and nausea after taking his PH supplement(also gyno, the reason he first consulted me about the ph). At first i thought this sounded somewhat normal, not necessarily the nausea but I know some PH's ran without test will cause lethargy. I asked him what he was taking and how much, he told me mass extreme, which I had no clue what that was, so I asked to see the bottle. Upon closer inspection I found it to be a Phera-Plex clone dosed at 18mg / cap.
I asked him how much he was taking and he said 6 caps per day, as was reccomended by the guy at nutra shop! He was also taking a 1-androsterone clone called 1-t extreme2 at 3 caps per day. At first I thought he must have confused the two as 1-andro at 6 caps per day would be somewhat reasonable as would phera at 3 caps per day(still a high dose) but he showed me the sheet where the nutrashop guy had written the instructions down and sure enough mass extreme2 2 caps 3x a day.
Assuming they're dosed accurately thats 108mg of pheraplex each day!!! His symptoms of lethargy and nausea can both be signs of liver damage. Obviously I advised him to immediately stop taking everything. I told him he should see a doctor asap, but he doesn't have health insurance and isn't keen on explaining to a doc that he took too many ph's. I told him of a pathology clinic that would run a liver / metabolic panel for around $200 and advised him at the very least to have that done asap, and to have it done again in around 4 weeks if the results came back elevated to make sure they didn't stay elevated, as that could signal some permanent damage.
I know there are many people that take Oral Anabolic steroids at dosages far exceeding the minimum effective dose. I.E. Dianabol is commonly effective at 30-50mg yet people often take 80-120mg for as long as 6 weeks with no permanent damage. He has only been on the phera clone for about 2 and a half weeks now but I'm still concearned.
Has anyone else heard of this kind of dosing of ph's? and what happened. I'm guessing he will probably be ok, but am still concearned because I know some of these oral designer's are very toxic, especially at an insanely high dosage like 108mg/day.
I have to say this, but please no flaming, as that is not useful for anyone/anything besides your own ego.
My friend was complaining of general lethargy throughout the day, and nausea after taking his PH supplement(also gyno, the reason he first consulted me about the ph). At first i thought this sounded somewhat normal, not necessarily the nausea but I know some PH's ran without test will cause lethargy. I asked him what he was taking and how much, he told me mass extreme, which I had no clue what that was, so I asked to see the bottle. Upon closer inspection I found it to be a Phera-Plex clone dosed at 18mg / cap.
I asked him how much he was taking and he said 6 caps per day, as was reccomended by the guy at nutra shop! He was also taking a 1-androsterone clone called 1-t extreme2 at 3 caps per day. At first I thought he must have confused the two as 1-andro at 6 caps per day would be somewhat reasonable as would phera at 3 caps per day(still a high dose) but he showed me the sheet where the nutrashop guy had written the instructions down and sure enough mass extreme2 2 caps 3x a day.
Assuming they're dosed accurately thats 108mg of pheraplex each day!!! His symptoms of lethargy and nausea can both be signs of liver damage. Obviously I advised him to immediately stop taking everything. I told him he should see a doctor asap, but he doesn't have health insurance and isn't keen on explaining to a doc that he took too many ph's. I told him of a pathology clinic that would run a liver / metabolic panel for around $200 and advised him at the very least to have that done asap, and to have it done again in around 4 weeks if the results came back elevated to make sure they didn't stay elevated, as that could signal some permanent damage.
I know there are many people that take Oral Anabolic steroids at dosages far exceeding the minimum effective dose. I.E. Dianabol is commonly effective at 30-50mg yet people often take 80-120mg for as long as 6 weeks with no permanent damage. He has only been on the phera clone for about 2 and a half weeks now but I'm still concearned.
Has anyone else heard of this kind of dosing of ph's? and what happened. I'm guessing he will probably be ok, but am still concearned because I know some of these oral designer's are very toxic, especially at an insanely high dosage like 108mg/day.
I have to say this, but please no flaming, as that is not useful for anyone/anything besides your own ego.