Does it matter if you take a methyl with food or with out?

  1. Does it matter if you take a methyl with food or with out?


    Im doing a Phera/Epi bridge and was wondering whats better.


  2. i was always told with methyl it's better to take with food, or more importantly fats or some kind, my buddy insists on taking all ph's with natty peanut butter and some fish oil, i'm currently running epi and i've heard all kinds of different opinions on with or without food, haven't researched phera enough to know about that

  3. Thats my problem to. I hear so many dif. things.
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  4. i think its the non-methyls particularly that are suggested to be taken with food with a rich content in fat due to the fact that it aids in absorption

    hormones in general are lipophilic, but like i said, i think the idea of consuming fats particularly applies to non-methyls that generally seem to have less bioavailability...so the addition of fats complements their absorption

    ill say this though, if i even take a low dose methyl without a meal surrounding it somehow i get a pretty nasty headache...there is some skepticism however that rich meals taken with methyls actually hinder their absorption

    dont quote me as a source, most of what i regurgitated is off the top of my head from basic memory

  5. bumping for more op.
    Thanks

  6. without food, or atleast, with foods that are low fat.

  7. There has been a thread on here about injesting with a shot of EVOO.

  8. I take all oral aas with fat or meal that contains fat. As said above aids in absorption.

  9. yeah thats it sorry non methyl's with food, my bad, tottally forgot that my buddy takes all his ph's with food, but him being so stubborn refused to take anything except for tren

  10. General oral administration of methylated steroids, quoted from William Llewellyn author "anabolics 9th edition"

    Studies have shown that taking an oral anabolic steroid with food may decrease its bioavailability.407 This is caused by the fat-soluble nature of steroid hormones, which can allow some of the drug to dissolve with undigested dietary fat, reducing its absorption from the gastrointestinal tract. For maximum utilization, this steroid should be taken on an empty stomach.
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    like i said, on an empty stomach, or atleast with food that is low in fat, that is, if you want optimal absorbtion, if you dont, then take it with some fat, it will help lessen sides, and gains...

  11. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    General oral administration of methylated steroids, quoted from William Llewellyn author "anabolics 9th edition"

    Studies have shown that taking an oral anabolic steroid with food may decrease its bioavailability.407 This is caused by the fat-soluble nature of steroid hormones, which can allow some of the drug to dissolve with undigested dietary fat, reducing its absorption from the gastrointestinal tract. For maximum utilization, this steroid should be taken on an empty stomach.
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    like i said, on an empty stomach, or atleast with food that is low in fat, that is, if you want optimal absorbtion, if you dont, then take it with some fat, it will help lessen sides, and gains...
    Interesting. This somewhat negates prior theories as posted above. Good food for thought.

  12. i take my damn p-plex with fat everyday! i hear everyone say thats right.. but i do trust Anabolics 2009... lets FIGURE THIS OUT

  13. I also take my methyl ph doses (sd, pp) with fish oil...would be great to see other wise since this is what has been workin for me...

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Ju1cedUp View Post
    i take my damn p-plex with fat everyday! i hear everyone say thats right.. but i do trust Anabolics 2009... lets FIGURE THIS OUT
    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogz View Post
    I also take my methyl ph doses (sd, pp) with fish oil...would be great to see other wise since this is what has been workin for me...
    I've also taken ph/ds doses with fats/oils and all turned out well. The theory could be true, but perhaps the difference is so negligible and miniscule that we would not find it noticeable?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Harry Manback View Post
    I've also taken ph/ds doses with fats/oils and all turned out well. The theory could be true, but perhaps the difference is so negligible and miniscule that we would not find it noticeable?
    The quote above says that you lose potency when dissolving in UNDIGESTED fat. so how much of the fat i take in with my P-Plex will not be digested? think that is our answer. And will the P-plex be absorbed in the blood before the capsule of fish oil is dissolved?

    all possible factors. I've gained over 11 lbs entering my third week of Pplex, so i'm not going to complain, but just to know.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Ju1cedUp View Post
    The quote above says that you lose potency when dissolving in UNDIGESTED fat. so how much of the fat i take in with my P-Plex will not be digested? think that is our answer. And will the P-plex be absorbed in the blood before the capsule of fish oil is dissolved?

    all possible factors. I've gained over 11 lbs entering my third week of Pplex, so i'm not going to complain, but just to know.
    Ok, so then the more fat = the less ds. Clearly 11 pounds is a good gain on the third week, and you have been taking it all along with your fish oil. This tells me one of either two things, A) if you took the PP without fish oil, you may have been able to gain 12-13 pounds etc. or B) there is a cut off point where when X amount of fat is injested, only then will absorption be hindered i.e. anything over 20g of fat, then absorption is compromised.

    Thoughts?

  17. im not sure how much may be affected. i just know what Llewellyn recomends. it may depend from person to person, if it's working for you, why stop? (besides the possiblity of maybe making it better) but there is only one way to know......

  18. I take mine with the EVOO and fish oil. The EVOO is tasteless to me just drink some water after. I think it helps..

  19. ill say this though, if i even take a low dose methyl without a meal surrounding it somehow i get a pretty nasty headache...

    im on superdrol... could this be why i get a headache i cant get rid of?

  20. increased absorbtion could lead to more sides, without having more gains. btw.
    this is also the case often noted in studies done on dhb with medication. an increase in side effects without having more positive effects.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    ill say this though, if i even take a low dose methyl without a meal surrounding it somehow i get a pretty nasty headache...

    im on superdrol... could this be why i get a headache i cant get rid of?
    make sure your PLENTY hydrated.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Ju1cedUp View Post
    make sure your PLENTY hydrated.
    This is probably the reason for the headaches, not enough water. Gotta drink alot

  23. Quote Originally Posted by testiesac View Post
    This is probably the reason for the headaches, not enough water. Gotta drink alot
    agreed, throw some lemons in there too for some supra water potency

  24. subbed

  25. agreed with the above post, the headache could be due to not having enough water intake.

    Also seems interesting on what Harry Manback said...if takin methyl compounds without fats it maye increase the potency...ummmm.....so....only one way to find out

  26. So... would it be best to wake up in the morning, take my methylated compound, wait 20-30 minds, eat breakfast, and then take my cycle support? Or would it be better to take everything on an empty stomache?

  27. i think diene-3 should be taken with fats.on anabolic x rebound xt it says just that.

  28. I take all of mine with grapefruit juice about 30 minutes before I eat. Supposedly the grapefruit juice increases the half-life and possibly absorption. I don't know if it really works any better, but it hasn't hindered my gains!
  

  
 

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