Retaining Gains; Prohormones vs. Injectables?

[daveydoodle]

For the people who have experience with both, or done multiple cycles of either Prohormones or Injectables, which method in your experience do you have better success with in regards to retaining the gains made while on cycle?
I recently finished a five (5) week M1T cycle, and was very happy with the gains in both size and strength. Now, three (3) weeks into the PCT I can feel and see the slow loss of both size and strength. I'm aware that it's very difficult to retain 100% of your gains when you come off cycle, and also the better the PCT the better the probability of retaining more. This is my 10th oral prohormone cycle and it seems like I retain less with every cycle. I've taken forum advise and think that I had a pretty solid PCT, and I can certainly attest to the fact that I'm working as hard as possible in the gym while comming off cycle, but I'm becoming frustrated with my losses.
I think the only logical next cycle can be injectables, but I was wondering if the gains are easier to retain (either due to a longer cycle, or due to the actual chemical itself). Any good advise or experiences?

[Rodja]

Injectables; they can be run for longer lengths and, generally, put less wear on the body. During PCT, the body has to shift significant resources to correcting lipids, liver, etc. That is one of the reasons that the gain from orals don't last. Plus, as everyone knows, test is king.

[Libertarian]

I recently finished a five (5) week M1T cycle, and was very happy with the gains in both size and strength. Now, three (3) weeks into the PCT I can feel and see the slow loss of both size and strength.

I read "five" and at first I was like "wait, how many?", then I saw the (5) and I was like "oh, okay, I get it". Same thing happened on the next sentence. Good lookin' out brotha'.


I don't think there is any evidence that muscle gains from oral steroids are more temporary than injectables. As the previous poster says, it probably has more to do with injectables being ran longer.

[gamer2be08]

Most of the time with an oral, you can gain up to 10lbs in glycogen, water and fat storage. It messes with your lipids, and liver values pretty bad as Rodja was saying and that can hinder lean mass gains to an extent as those "bounce" back to normal levels. Believe it or not, a 4-6 week oral cycle can only yield about 4-6lbs of lean muscle gain with your diet, rest and training on point.. With injectables such as test, you make lean mass gains over 10-12 weeks progressively, it isn't as harsh on your lipids and liver values making those lean mass gains quite easy to retain... Some orals can be a good kick start for an injectable, but other than that, dont expect massive lean mass gains on oral only cycles...

[Rodja]

It also takes time to actual forge solid muscle. That's the whole idea of muscle maturity; you may stay the same weight at the same BF%, but look completely different at 20 than at 25.

[UnrealMachine]

exactly, the advantage of injectables is being able to run them longer, and the longer a cycle, the more keepable the gains are.

"easy come, easy go"

With M1T you're definitely going to see poor retention because it's infamous for blowing you up with temporary weight, like SD. Running a full 5 weeks means you have time to actually put on some muscle but most people shouldn't run M1T for 5 weeks, that's a lot of shutdown.

[yokingupsick]

For the people who have experience with both, or done multiple cycles of either Prohormones or Injectables, which method in your experience do you have better success with in regards to retaining the gains made while on cycle?
I recently finished a five (5) week M1T cycle, and was very happy with the gains in both size and strength. Now, three (3) weeks into the PCT I can feel and see the slow loss of both size and strength. I'm aware that it's very difficult to retain 100% of your gains when you come off cycle, and also the better the PCT the better the probability of retaining more. This is my 10th oral prohormone cycle and it seems like I retain less with every cycle. I've taken forum advise and think that I had a pretty solid PCT, and I can certainly attest to the fact that I'm working as hard as possible in the gym while comming off cycle, but I'm becoming frustrated with my losses.
I think the only logical next cycle can be injectables, but I was wondering if the gains are easier to retain (either due to a longer cycle, or due to the actual chemical itself). Any good advise or experiences?

I'm thinking of ordering some m1t off a uk site and was wondering: how much did you gain? how did you run the cycle? what was your dose? when did most your mass gains come by? and what pct did you do?

I had a 10/20/20 m1t cycle in mind with nolva 20/20/20 for pct

[the GUNSHOW]

the reall m1t is 17aa-1-testosterone right?

[yokingupsick]

the reall m1t is 17aa-1-testosterone right?

yes its still legal in the uk

[unc21]

Like others have stated, it has to do with injectable being ran longer. It allows the body to adjust to newly gained muscle. Anytime the body has large fluctuations in weight, the body tends to go back to its 'homeostasis' weight if you will. So with a longer time peroid, your body is able to adjust better.

[Iron Warrior]

Injectables are the way to go. Don't forget to get some HCG as well. I know some people like to do many small cycles of orals but that's more times that you have to come off and do PCT. A good length cycle (16-20) means you do 1 PCT in 4-5 months, which I find better and more convenient.

[the GUNSHOW]

yes its still legal in the uk

hmmmm I was going to say I found it on a uk place for the same $$ as SD!