Poppin P-Plex Pulse

TheDarkHalf

TheDarkHalf

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I'm starting this log about 3 weeks early, just mainly want to get things out of my head and on to paper. Offically, I will be starting this Feb 1st.

I'm going to follow a two weeks on two weeks off protocol for 8 weeks. At that point, i'll assess my progression and see if I want to go for another two on two off.

My "on" weeks 1-2:
Cycle Assist as directed
Regulars (whey, joint, aminos, etc)
P-Plex 30/30

My "off" weeks 2-4:
Toremfiene 30/30
DTP as directed
HGHup as directed
Creatine
PreWO (haven't decided what but i'll pick something up)
Regulars (whey, joint, aminos, etc)
Cycle Assist as directed
Foremstane as directed
Reduce XT as direct

My "on" weeks 4-6:
Same as above, but P-Plex at 45/45

My "off" weeks 6-8:
Same as above

Other info:
I'm bulking. Currently sitting at 225. No idea what my BF is, but I do not have visible abs. I have a gut with love handles. Don't give a **** either because I f*ck hot bitches on a regular basis.

I've just switched to a new lifting schedule. Two days on, one day off. I do cardio 4x a week moderate intensity tue-fri.

My lifting rotation is as follows:
quad/calves
back/bi
off
chest/calves
shoulders/traps
off
triceps/hamstrings
repeat

Here's what my diet looks like for any given weekday (mon-fri) -

Meal 1: 1/2 cup oats, 1 scoop whey, 2 scoops dried egg whites, 2 tbsp natty (blended w/ice)

Meal 2: blueberries, green beans (low sodium canned), 8-10 oz 93/7 beef

Meal 3: apple, 4 oz broccoli (raw), handful of almonds, 8-10 oz chicken breast, fish oil supp

Meal 4: orange, 4 oz asparagus (raw), 10 oz salmon

Meal 5: 1 scoop whey, 1 scoop casein, 1/2 cup irish oats, 2 tbsp natty

Meal 6: 4 whole eggs w/shredded cheese and cottage cheese on the side

PWO shake on lifting days - EAA Nitro, Animal Nitro, Creatine
 
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subd i haven't seen a 2on2off pp logged yet I'm pumped to see how it goes
 
Tansui said:
subd i haven't seen a 2on2off pp logged yet I'm pumped to see how it goes
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Yep. And i've never ran PP either. So I figure it's the best way to minimize sides and shut down from the research I have done.

phL8Tme said:
Watchin dude! Should be a good ride for ya! Just how many cals and grams of protien daily?
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Well if you see my diet above that should be a pretty good idea....umm just doing raw estimates from what I've written should be something like 300-350g protein, 135-175g carbs, 90-115g fat

so somewhere between 2550 to 3135. I would say probably closer to the higher end :head:

Harry Manback said:
I'm in. I'm diggin' your diet. Good luck my 9 pound superior.
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Thanks! Looking forward to what you and the rest have to contribute to this log of mine.
 
out of curiousity, whats the half life of PP?

but otherwise, this is very interesting, looking forward to seeing the results
 
bigzach1234 said:
why dont you start off with 45/45 in week 1? .. your only pulsing,,,
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Well in reality we can all write something down on paper and truth be told we never really know how a particular compound is going to run until we run it. Since I've never ran PP before, I'm going to start out with the 30 mg dose. If I feel like I can handle more, I'll bump it up. If it's too much, I'll tone it down to 15 mg. Just have to wait and see.

mark118 said:
out of curiousity, whats the half life of PP?

but otherwise, this is very interesting, looking forward to seeing the results
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Looks like it's somewhere around 8 hours. Probably dose early AM (pre cardio) and Pre-WO. That way I will still be able to dose my liver support in the afternoon and before bed.


I will also start my cycle assist one week prior to starting my cycle (Jan 25th)
 
Quick query fellas, I'm thinking about dropping HGHup. Keep it or get rid of it? Just not sure if it's worth the extra $45 bucks on my supp order.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Haha I'm ready man. Ready to see what P-Plex has to offer. I'm also looking forward to my off weeks as well....should be crazy.
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I ran Phera a few years back and it was very wet for me. I saw some great gains on it though. Imo I would run the HGHup during your PCT.
 
gymaddict20 said:
I ran Phera a few years back and it was very wet for me. I saw some great gains on it though. Imo I would run the HGHup during your PCT.
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Yeah I just wasn't sure if it was necessary or not. HGHup acts as a GH and Test booster - didn't know if it was overkill or not will the DTP already in there (it's a pretty potent test booster as it is). Dropping it out would take my supp order from 280 to 235...just having a hard time justifying having it in there.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Yeah I just wasn't sure if it was necessary or not. HGHup acts as a GH and Test booster - didn't know if it was overkill or not will the DTP already in there (it's a pretty potent test booster as it is). Dropping it out would take my supp order from 280 to 235...just having a hard time justifying having it in there.
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I would drop it until your PCT but thats just me.
 
Have you done a cycle with the 2 week on/off pulse before, and if so, how did it go? Seems like most prefer 4-5 weeks straight on here but this pulse protocol seems interesting.
 
Lacradocious said:
Have you done a cycle with the 2 week on/off pulse before, and if so, how did it go? Seems like most prefer 4-5 weeks straight on here but this pulse protocol seems interesting.
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Nope. Only cycle i've done was Epi for 6 weeks (link in my sig). I'm looking forward to getting this show on the road.

Just for ****s and giggles I popped 10 mg of P-Plex just to see how it would affect me. Workout was pretty solid but I think it was just more being amped up and giddy that I took a PH. Really looking forward to getting this show on the road. In about two weeks i'll be starting to dose my cycle assist.

Would also like to comment on my training style....

Week 1 - Power, 5 rep sets, 4 sets per exercise
Week 2 - Volume - 15-25 rep sets, 4 sets per exercise
Week 3 - Power, 6-8 rep sets, 4 sets per exercise
Week 4 - Supersets and Dropsets
Repeat
 
good luck man i will be watching this it sounds pretty solid.
 
2 on 2 off seems bad to me. Your hormones are going to be so out of wack more bad than good will come. If you are going to pulse I would do so on workout days if you want and run a straight through PCT. You don't even know what you are getting yourself into with something like this.

About wet gains with Phera...diet will dictate that.
 
flightposite said:
good luck man i will be watching this it sounds pretty solid.
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Thanks man.

MrBigPR said:
2 on 2 off seems bad to me. Your hormones are going to be so out of wack more bad than good will come. If you are going to pulse I would do so on workout days if you want and run a straight through PCT. You don't even know what you are getting yourself into with something like this.

About wet gains with Phera...diet will dictate that.
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I appreciate your concern MrBigPR. I've done my homework, and i'm convinced that something like this can work. Read the post below and check into the links provided and you'll see why I made the decision to run the cycle as proposed. I'd be glad to hear your thoughts on the information I've read. I just haven't seen any evidence that this cycle is a bad idea. I'm certainly open to hear more on the subject. Your input is valued and appreciated.

Libertarian said:
The 2-weeker is great as it is. If you look at it 6+ months at a time, running the 2-weeker can offer the same if not better gains than more "traditional" longer cycles all the while avoiding "PCT crash" and minimizing side effects. I don't really want to talk much about it as for some reason people who almost nothing about the protocol like to talk about all it's "flaws" and why it's a waste of time. But, if you listen to what people who have run it have to say (I will be one of those guys in a few weeks) you'll hear nothing but positive comments. So, if you're interested, I'd say check this out: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/139997-pulsing-m-drol.html particularly posts #25 and #28. Also check this thread out and the links that are posted in the first reply: Invalid Link Removed

Familiarize yourself with the idea of the "2-stage" HPTA suppression process and you'll see how the 2-weeker can help optimize your gains to shutdown/sides ratio.

Like I said, I don't like discussing it on this forum because people usually already have their mind made up that longer cycles are always better and the discussions go nowhere. But if you have any questions you can PM me. I'm no expert but I've read everything I have been able to find about the protocol. In fact, a couple people from this forum who are running it have been PMing me about how happy they are with it.

Oh, and if you are set on only running oral PH/DS compounds, then I would only suggest powerful compounds (if you read through those links you'll see why). In other words, quality SD clones should work well and maybe even PP or Epi if you are one of those guys who respond better and quicker with the latter two.
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The only way I would truly continue to run such a protocol would be with bloodwork. If you are taking those precautions than I see less of a problem.

The idea behind PCT goes beyond it. Your hormones are still recovering even after "normal" PCT. With the 2 weeker internally you will not be fully recovered by the time you start the anabolic, thus leaving more room for error and rebound in the future.

You've gotta look at the big picture. You may be fine for a month or 2 after the complete pulse, but what happens when you experience some discomfort within yourself. I've seen people crash weeks after a cycle and it comes up pretty quick.

Bloodwork is key though, I believe that a PCT should be based on it. That is if you have the means to get it done without paying an arm and a leg.
 
MrBigPR said:
The only way I would truly continue to run such a protocol would be with bloodwork. If you are taking those precautions than I see less of a problem.

The idea behind PCT goes beyond it. Your hormones are still recovering even after "normal" PCT. With the 2 weeker internally you will not be fully recovered by the time you start the anabolic, thus leaving more room for error and rebound in the future.

You've gotta look at the big picture. You may be fine for a month or 2 after the complete pulse, but what happens when you experience some discomfort within yourself. I've seen people crash weeks after a cycle and it comes up pretty quick.

Bloodwork is key though, I believe that a PCT should be based on it. That is if you have the means to get it done without paying an arm and a leg.
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I don't disagree with you on that one bit. Bloodwork is Key. However I just don't have access to something like that. Let alone be able to afford that either. It's impossible to know what's going on in the background without bloodwork, however I have seen bloodwork from those that have done two on two off with SD. We all know SD is pretty harsh on the lipids, and those that have used this protocol have recovered just fine.

Yeah sure, P-Plex is slower acting and may not be the best for pulsing. But the gains from P-plex can be great. So, with this method of pulsing the gains (both muscle and strength) will be slower, but hopefully more manageable to maintain and not nearly as harsh on the lipids or shutdown.

Don't get me wrong man, I do appreciate your concern and you're just looking out for me. But for me to change my plans on this cycle I need to see some hard evidence that this is not a good idea and not just someone's opinion.
 
Hey guys just wanted to wake everyone up. Started dosing my Cycle Assist today and will be starting my P-Plex next week. I'm going to start @ 40mg instead of 30mg. If it's too much i'll back down to 30...it's a pulse so i'd rather do too much than too little and P-plex is slow to kick in from what i've read.

Right now i'll be dosing my cycle assist in the AM and PM, and will switch it to 4 hours after each P-Plex dose when I start next mon. When I start P-plex I'll do 20mg in the AM and 20mg Pre-WO. I'd space it throughout the day but I don't want my cycle assist messing with the absorption of P-plex.
 
Woke up this morning and weighed in at 228. Woke up at 7:20am, Put 20mg of P-Plex in my hand, looked at myself in the mirror, and thought to myself...."Here goes nothing" and threw it in my mouth with a tsp of natty.

So far I feel great. Can feel it kicking it just like Epi...although from what I remember the euphoric feeling I had from Epi was a lot stronger.

Really looking forward to lifting tonight....gonna pop another 20mg at about 5:30 and head to the gym. Will post up numbers tonight.
 
Harry Manback said:
Speaking of which, time to pop my phera too. Today is a pin day as well, good times.

What are ya hittin' tonight?
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Nice man. I'm going to hit shoulders and traps. Really looking forward to it as it's my last day in the heavy weight. Tues is an off day. Wed i'll hit legs and start a volume routine (15-25 reps a set) until I get back to legs the following week and switch back over to power. Then the week after that power week will be supersets & dropsets.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Nice man. I'm going to hit shoulders and traps. Really looking forward to it as it's my last day in the heavy weight. Tues is an off day. Wed i'll hit legs and start a volume routine (15-25 reps a set) until I get back to legs the following week and switch back over to power.
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Excellent. I've infact incorporated the same 15-25 rep volume routine you speak of this past week and plan to carry it into the current week as well. A change from the heavy lifting I've come accustomed to. So far I like it. It's a great way to feel that full contraction and chase the pump.

What does your shoulder routine look like?
 
Harry Manback said:
Excellent. I've infact incorporated the same 15-25 rep volume routine you speak of this past week and plan to carry it into the current week as well. A change from the heavy lifting I've come accustomed to. So far I like it. It's a great way to feel that full contraction and chase the pump.

What does your shoulder routine look like?
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Yeah I like it a lot as well. It's easier on the joints and I get just as sore if not more so when I do the high volume week.

I kinda just do whatever I feel like doing when I get in there. Honestly I pretty much quit doing all front delt work. My left rotator cuff hasn't been happy for sometime. However, I still feel like my fronts get plenty of work when I do chest and rows. I just concentrate on my rears and sides. I remember reading somewhere that your front delts will actually quit growing at a certain point and wait for your sides and rears to catch up. Wish I had a reference for that; I cannot remember where I read that....but so far it's been working out well.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
Yeah I like it a lot as well. It's easier on the joints and I get just as sore if not more so when I do the high volume week.

I kinda just do whatever I feel like doing when I get in there. Honestly I pretty much quit doing all front delt work. My left rotator cuff hasn't been happy for sometime. However, I still feel like my fronts get plenty of work when I do chest and rows. I just concentrate on my rears and sides. I remember reading somewhere that your front delts will actually quit growing at a certain point and wait for your sides and rears to catch up. Wish I had a reference for that; I cannot remember where I read that....but so far it's been working out well.
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Interesting mention about the front delt. I stray away from isolating the front delt a bit too. My right has been aggrivating me for years now. It works plenty during arnold/military presses and, like you mentioned, on chest days. I've also used a much wider grip on upright rows to target the medial delts, which has made a significant difference for me.
 
Harry Manback said:
Interesting mention about the front delt. I stray away from isolating the front delt a bit too. My right has been aggrivating me for years now. It works plenty during arnold/military presses and, like you mentioned, on chest days. I've also used a much wider grip on upright rows to target the medial delts, which has made a significant difference for me.
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Yeah man I mean even with good form, my delts will still be sore after a chest day. I abandoned upright rows some time ago....for traps I just do BB shrugs, DB shrugs, smith shrugs, behind the back shrugs, etc.

But maybe i'll give them a shot. One thing i've learned is that if you do something in the gym and it hurts....do something else. Train around it or don't train it at all. I just feel like upright rows are an extremely risky movement and don't offer enough reward.
 
Okay so here's how my lift went tonight...i'll just list the heaviest sets cause that's about all I can remember since I don't keep a log anymore...

DB Side Raises - 50x5
Reverse Fly Machine - 225x5
DB Laterals - 50x5
DB Bent Over Laterals - 50x4

DB Shrug - 140x4
BB Shrug - 365x4

I usually do 4-5 sets per exercise depending on how things are feeling and time constraints.

Anyone thing I should or shouldn't be using L-Arginine during my on weeks? I have some bulk that i've been using...just wondering if there are any converns I should be worried about.
 
Woke up this morning, took my P-Plex and did 30 mins of cardio on the elliptical. I love when i'm on....I got into bed late last night and sure enough PP gave me the kick start I needed this morning to get that cardio in.
 
Harry Manback said:
I'm impressed with your dumbbell raises at 50lbs. Hows the form?
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Pretty good (at least I think!). I usually do them standing behind the DB rack. I rest my free hand on a DB and raise my other arm straight out to the side stopping at shoulder level and make my best effort to control the descent of the weight as it returns to my side.
 
Dragon13 said:
Sub, very interested in the 2-weeker approach.
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thanks man, glad to have you along!

Would like to report that I felt like I had a minor back and calf pump today. Had a really weird feeling in my calf and lower back was a little tight. Solved that problem real fast with 3g of taurine. Will continue to dose 3g taurine per day and increase dosage if necessary.
 
Some thoughts i'm having and changes i'm going to make....

1) Going to cut out oatmeal PWO. I've already gained enough fat on this bulk of mine and I want to cut out some cals. Some of you main complain...but I feel like the reason i've put on a bunch of fat is from the excess in overall cals...and I feel like carbs are the reason I put on fat. So....i'm just going to keep my oats to the morning meal and that's it. Only carbs I get PWO will be my PWO shake. All my other carbs will be from fruits, veggies, and oats in the AM.

2)Was going to bulk straight through summer and cut in sept....but thinking i'm going to cut in july. Looking at these progress pics I took today compared to what I was in August has me pissed off. I've put on some size in my gut and I'm just not happy feeling like i'm fatter. and I felt this way even before looking at the pics. Going to ride this bulk out till late june early july and do a SD bridge....into what I have no idea. Probably The One or Epi/Tren. I'm just hoping this bulk is productive so that when I go to cut down it will be easier having more muscle.
 
So you are going to run this for two months?

When you mentioned BO. Have you already used your number of BO for the year? My insurance allows for 4 BO per year for normal and if you have "underlying" issues then more....i usually get 4-5 blood works per year on my insurance. I have underlying issues.

Do you plan on trying to do blood work after the 2nd pulse, which would be what? Week 5-6?
 
Forgot to mention, would you be able to post both numbers from pre and during...

Say


Shrugs 215x5---315x6 (first would be before pp, second would be during or final analysis)
 
hardknock said:
So you are going to run this for two months?

When you mentioned BO. Have you already used your number of BO for the year? My insurance allows for 4 BO per year for normal and if you have "underlying" issues then more....i usually get 4-5 blood works per year on my insurance. I have underlying issues.

Do you plan on trying to do blood work after the 2nd pulse, which would be what? Week 5-6?
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My problem is that i'm not sure if my insurance covers that kind of stuff and i'm not sure how to ask about it. How do I ask my HR lady "Hey yeah I was curious about getting some bloodwork done" without raising any questions?

Harry Manback said:
(no homo) post the pics.
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Okay so how do I post them on here? Do I have to post them to a internet site first? Or can you just add them as an attachment

hardknock said:
Forgot to mention, would you be able to post both numbers from pre and during...

Say


Shrugs 215x5---315x6 (first would be before pp, second would be during or final analysis)
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Well I mean my numbers from mon's workout was pretty much unaffected by PP - I would have put those up with or without it. But I mean as a final review I can certainly do that. Or you can just follow along and watch my numbers :D I'll tell you what, when I hit a PR i'll indicate that. But I won't start that until week 3 - solely because I won't have enough data for a comparison.
 
You can go to your doctor and complain about not having a great sex drive..
You can also complain about pain in your testicles, heart, kidneys, etc...

Usually once they say that we need to send you out for blood test, you can ask for the other panel as well....

I went to my doc for a heart exam and when he told me that he was going to send me for blood work about that, i started talking about not really "wanting to have sex" (which was a complete lie). I then asked what type of test could show where my test levels were (as if i didnt' know) and he said xyz...i said cool and while we are at it, can we also get E2...luckily I have had a relationship with this doc since 12 so he said yeah...

I had another doc that I did the same thing with and he was a relatively new doc...so there it is...

I ended up with estro, free, total, and thyroid plus the normal blood work (lipids, liver, kidneys, etc)

Now whenever I go to either doc for blood works, i ask for all of those each time.
 
hardknock said:
You can go to your doctor and complain about not having a great sex drive..
You can also complain about pain in your testicles, heart, kidneys, etc...

Usually once they say that we need to send you out for blood test, you can ask for the other panel as well....

I went to my doc for a heart exam and when he told me that he was going to send me for blood work about that, i started talking about not really "wanting to have sex" (which was a complete lie). I then asked what type of test could show where my test levels were (as if i didnt' know) and he said xyz...i said cool and while we are at it, can we also get E2...luckily I have had a relationship with this doc since 12 so he said yeah...

I had another doc that I did the same thing with and he was a relatively new doc...so there it is...

I ended up with estro, free, total, and thyroid plus the normal blood work (lipids, liver, kidneys, etc)

Now whenever I go to either doc for blood works, i ask for all of those each time.
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Not a bad idea, i just need to determine how my plan covers doctor visits and bloodwork. Insurance is such a nightmare.
 
Had legs tonight. Not near the volume I wanted....but I think for a couple of reasons....

1) Have taken creatine in over a week
2) Did 30 min of cardio in the AM
3) Feeling pretty pumped

5 min warm up on bike
Front Squats - 4 sets, last set at 165x12
Squats - 4 sets, last set at 185x12
Seated Calf Raise - 4 sets, 2 plates x20
One Legged Extension - 4 sets, last set at 75x15
Seated Calf Raise - 4 sets, 2 plates x20
Standing Calf Raise - 3 sets...don't really remember weight
5 min cool down on bike
15 min abs class
 
I feel like my body is adapting to p-plex already. Last night was the first good nights sleep I had since monday. Had no problems falling asleep and only woke up once. Where as the past few nights I had been wired and didn't have solid sleep.

Normally my legs would be killing today....but honestly they don't hurt at all. Even did cardio this morning with no issues. My abs don't hurt either which is nice.....usually the day after that 15 min ab class they are killer...but not too bad today.

Side effect wise i'm noticing minor aches and pains in diff spots. I'll continue to monitor this and if it gets any worse i'll either lower the dose or bump up my dosing of SuperCissus.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
I feel like my body is adapting to p-plex already. Last night was the first good nights sleep I had since monday. Had no problems falling asleep and only woke up once. Where as the past few nights I had been wired and didn't have solid sleep.

Normally my legs would be killing today....but honestly they don't hurt at all. Even did cardio this morning with no issues. My abs don't hurt either which is nice.....usually the day after that 15 min ab class they are killer...but not too bad today.

Side effect wise i'm noticing minor aches and pains in diff spots. I'll continue to monitor this and if it gets any worse i'll either lower the dose or bump up my dosing of SuperCissus.
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Glad to see things are working out good for you. I usually dont sleep all that well while running phera in the past. I personally have never had any problems with hair loss due to being on cycle (knock on wood). My buddy swears by Finasteride though. I will have another cycle coming up in March so stay tuned. Kepp up the good work brother.
 
gymaddict20 said:
Glad to see things are working out good for you. I usually dont sleep all that well while running phera in the past. I personally have never had any problems with hair loss due to being on cycle (knock on wood). My buddy swears by Finasteride though. I will have another cycle coming up in March so stay tuned. Kepp up the good work brother.
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Thanks man!

Had Back and Bi's tonight....volume was where I wanted it to be...

T-Bar Row - 2p x20, 2p+25 x17 for 3 sets
V-Bar Pulldowns - L8x15, L8x15, L9x15, L10x12
DB Row w/twist - 65x15, 60x15 for 3 sets
BB Row - 95x20, x15, x15, x15

Pre-weighted bar curls - 40x20, 50x20, x15, x15
Pre-cambered Negatives - 50x10 for 4 sets
DB Curl - 20x20, 25x15, 20x15, 20x10

Done. Tomorrow is an off day. I'll do a weigh in first thing pre-cardio.
 
hey dark nice to see you on it bro, are going to be doing cardio every morning and lifts in the pm? on the topic of front delts, I really like dumbbell clean and presses.

yeah and what are your goals on this cycle?
 
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