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    PH's for a cutting?


    Any good PH's stack for a cut cycle? I am new to PH usage and my recently legal troubles rule out any anabolics.

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    1-test and and a little 4-ad to combat lethargy is awsome for cutting. People have had awsome results.. Talkto ya..
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    Originally posted by Aneas
    Any good PH's stack for a cut cycle? I am new to PH usage and my recently legal troubles rule out any anabolics.

    I would do 1-Test, 1,4-andro, and 5-AA (alpha androstenediol)

    And throw in some ECA to cambat lethargy and burn more fat.

    I would almost guarantee that this stack will get you shredded beyond belief
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    Ok, when you are on 1-test one is supposed to eat more. Would one be able to get cut when they are taking in way more than they expend (calories)? Also, 1-test increase appetite, ECA may do the opposite?!

    I know people have said they got cut even when they ate like a horse.
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    1-test is a miracle indeed. I know people that ate like a horse while on 1-test alone and lost body fat and gained weight... It is awsome.. talk to ya..
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    I have also wondered about the effects of taking 1,4 andro and ECA at the same time??
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    Thanks for replies. I am using super one+ right now to bulk. I dont think 4-ad is good for cutting it seems like I am storing some extra fat and water right now.

    You can cut while eating alot as long as you limit your carbs.


    I was think one test and eca to cut with.


    What is 5-AA?
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    Originally posted by Aneas

    What is 5-AA?

    5-AA is 5-Alpha Androstenediol

    It is a direct precursor to DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) and DHT is HIGHLY androgenic and cannot convert into estrogen. The Pre-Contest Steroids Masteron and Winstrol are derrivitavies of DHT.

    5-AA is also a very effective anti-estrogen and when I took it I noticed that I was retaining much less water and my strength went up. It helped me acheive a hard/dry physique for the early summer (in other words it got me shredded and got me many phone numbers)

    5-AA comes in 2 versions the 3 beta reductase version and the 3 alpha reductase version...

    Differences you ask?... the 3-beta version converts into DHT at around 9%...and the 3-alpha version converts at around 43%!!!.

    The 3-Alpha reductase enzyme version is sold by Molecular Nutriton under the name 3-Alpha...

    ...Molecular Nutrition is the only company I know that markets the 3-Alpha reductase version.

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    Originally posted by dg806
    I have also wondered about the effects of taking 1,4 andro and ECA at the same time??
    For my cutting stack in the future I plan to do 1-Test, 1,4-andro, 5-AA (3-Alpha version), and ECA

    Reasons for the compounds:

    1-Test: need I say more

    1,4-Andro: target hormone; Boldenone; Increases red-blood cell production, vascularity, burns fat

    5-AA (3-alpha version):Target Hormone; DHT; Anti-Estrogen cuz it occupies the Estrogen Receptor, strenght increase, preservation of Lean Mass, Highly androgenic, literally hardens muscles (Believe me I know).

    ECA: uuuhhh...duh?
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    Looks good LG... Good info. Talk to ya..
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    Originally posted by curt2go
    Looks good LG... Good info. Talk to ya..

    Thats what I'm here for.


    That cycle is gonna be fun.
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    For a good-ass cutting cycle:

    for 4 weeks:
    3-Alpha: 300mg/day
    1,4-Andro: 500-700mg/day
    1-Test (transdermally of course): 70-100mg/day ABSORBED
    ECA (20mg ephedrine, 200 caffeine, 300mg Asprin): 1 serving 3-4x/day

    hit that ish 4 on/4 off/4 on for your 12-week precontest diet
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    Originally posted by dg806
    I have also wondered about the effects of taking 1,4 andro and ECA at the same time??

    I've done that...

    ...very lean gains(but not a lot of gains, maybe 5-6 pounds in 3-4 weeks) and lots of fatloss in a short amount of time.

    It Rulz
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    If you were using that stack to cut what diet would you go with?
    Keto or a conventional diet? How many calories per pound body weight? I may do this In Jan. could I use the t1-pro or would you recommend the T1?

    Would you even bother with SU while on this?

    Would you use 7-keto and how much cardio would you do?

    Type of training

    for my mass phase I am doing

    6-10 reps, not taken to failure.

    Mon: Chest-4 sets/Quads-4sets/shoulders-2sets/triceps-4sets/calves-4 sets



    Tue: Hamstrings-4 sets/Back-4sets/Biceps-4sets/Abs 4 sets
    reverse pec deck 3 sets, forearms 3 sets

    Wed:Repeat Monday

    Thur:Off

    Fri:Repeat Tuesday

    Sat:Repeat Monday

    Sun:Repeat Tuesday
    Mon: off

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    Sounds like an awesome stack. My only concern would be post-cycle recovery. The combination of pro-steroids/hormones, a sub-maintenece caloric intake, and a higher dosing of ECA stack will be quite devastating on your natty test production. What you planning on using/ have used in the past?
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    Originally posted by Gmonkey
    If you were using that stack to cut what diet would you go with?
    Keto or a conventional diet? How many calories per pound body weight? I may do this In Jan. could I use the t1-pro or would you recommend the T1?

    Would you even bother with SU while on this?

    Would you use 7-keto and how much cardio would you do?

    Type of training


    Well, Lets ge started, I personally would go with a modified Keto Diet:

    50/20/30 Protein/carbs/fat... and, say, for cals go for this:

    http://www.bdcnutrition.com/forum/sh...=&threadid=149

    Go for T-1 or do a brew yourself with just 10g 1-Test in 240ml bottle.

    As far as SU goes...ummm... use a low dose IF you use it (no more than 500mg/day)...but whith this diet/PH stack I dont recommend it. Just use ECA 3-4x/day

    Cardio: I hate ****ing cardio!...but you gotta do what ya gotta do... just burn off between 150-200 calories (as the machine says) 3-4x week.

    I've never heard if 7-Keto being used for cutting...no answer, sorry


    Training:

    Well, theres so many ways to choose from

    For me it's gonna be this:

    Quick, hard, heavy and painful...haha

    Day 1:

    Do 2-3 warmup sets of 15-20 reps before hitting the working sets

    Everything is 1 set to failiure with 5-7 second negetives and 3 second positive.

    Peck Deck - 6-10 reps
    with no rest go do...
    ...Incline Press - 2-4 reps

    Close grip (palm facing towards you) pulldowns - 6-10 reps

    Deadlilfts - 5-8 reps


    HIT IT!!!!!!




    PS Post Cycle Recovery

    CLOMID (if you can get your hands on it)

    if not...

    Fuzu 6-8 caps/day starting the last 2 weeks of your 2nd 4 week "on cycle" and extending to the next 3-4 weeks Post Cycle combined with 6-OXO at th same time.

    But all this is JMO
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    The other training days are as follows:

    Day 2:

    EXERCISE
    Leg Extension - 8-15 Reps

    With no rest do Leg Press - 8-15 Reps

    Calf Raise - 12-20 Reps

    Day 3:

    EXERCISE
    Dumbell Laterals - 6-10 Reps

    Rear Laterals - 6-10 Reps

    Barbell Curls - 6-10 Reps

    Tricep Pressdowns - 6-10 Reps

    With no rest do Dips - 3-5 Reps


    Day 4:

    EXERCISE
    Leg Extentions - 8-15 Reps

    With no rest do Squat - 8-15 Reps

    Calf Raise - 12-20 Reps



    TIPS: Go as heavy as possible on each exercise!!! this is crucial for maintaining/gaining strength
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    The 7-keto for cutting came from

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    I usually do that training while dieting as, I have found it from Charles Poliquin to be the most effective for gaining strength and size no matter if I am dieting or bulking.
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    Originally posted by Lifeguard



    5-AA is 5-Alpha Androstenediol

    It is a direct precursor to DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) and DHT is HIGHLY androgenic and cannot convert into estrogen. The Pre-Contest Steroids Masteron and Winstrol are derrivitavies of DHT.

    5-AA is also a very effective anti-estrogen and when I took it I noticed that I was retaining much less water and my strength went up. It helped me acheive a hard/dry physique for the early summer (in other words it got me shredded and got me many phone numbers)

    5-AA comes in 2 versions the 3 beta reductase version and the 3 alpha reductase version...

    Differences you ask?... the 3-beta version converts into DHT at around 9%...and the 3-alpha version converts at around 43%!!!.

    The 3-Alpha reductase enzyme version is sold by Molecular Nutriton under the name 3-Alpha...

    ...Molecular Nutrition is the only company I know that markets the 3-Alpha reductase version.

    Any more Questions?


    Yeah how was the hair line?

    Winny and Masteron are the only AAS that cause me to lose hair.
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    Originally posted by Gmonkey
    The 7-keto for cutting came from

    1fast400
    Now That I know the good of 7-keto DHEA for cutting, I still wouldn't use it in this stack because:

    1-Test burns fat
    1,4-androstadienedione burns fat
    5-Alpha androstanediol burns fat
    ECA burns A LOT of fat
    Cardio burns fat
    reduced calorie diet burns fat
    Hard lifting burns a ****load of fat...

    See a pattern emerging here, I chose these compounds and methods cuz all burn fat in different ways, makin the user of this regimine shredded like a MOFO!!!!
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    Originally posted by Aneas




    Yeah how was the hair line?

    Winny and Masteron are the only AAS that cause me to lose hair.
    I am not @ risk for male pattern hairloss...ain't I a bitch


    and I haven't used 3-alpha (yet)
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Lifeguard
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    I am not @ risk for male pattern hairloss...ain't I a bitch



    Lucky bastage. Are you over 30? I thought I wasnt until I hit the 30 mark and it started to go. Could be all the gear to but who knows.
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    I'm a young one I'm only 18, but I know about the hairloss thing because every male on my moms side of the family still has a fill head of hair!

    And we all know that the hairloss gene comes from our moms.
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    Questions, comments...Bring it! anything!
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    Well just count yourself lucky LG I on the other hand am not as lucky.. but I don't have it as bad as my twin brother... now that is one bro that is missing some hair
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    Sounds like a good stack, LG, but how much does it cost? And where the hell do you get all the money for that at age 18? I mean, if I even suggested buying all that in one go, my wife would kick my ass.
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    I never buy my cycles at one time, I buy them in sections, in the months leading up to the cycle...

    for instance for my cycle I am going to start in november I started planning at the beginning of september, and I baught my chems and 1-Test about 3 weeks ago, and I just baught my Boldione yesterday alomg w/my 4-ad about 4 days prior to that and I bought my Fuzu about 5 weeks ago. all that combimed cost me $320-$350 and I spread out the spending as far as I possibly could.

    and Dont forget...lifeguarding is not free I do get paid ya know.


    And I think that the cutting cycle (planned for July/august '03) will cost me about the same cuz i wont have to drop $75 on chems this time around.
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    One thing to keep in mind:

    If using 1,4 while cutting the effect will be an INCREASED APPETITE. Not a desired effect when cutting

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    Originally posted by Big Daddy Chemo
    One thing to keep in mind:

    If using 1,4 while cutting the effect will be an INCREASED APPETITE. Not a desired effect when cutting

    Chemo
    I took this fact into account and I think that the ECA with counteract it some, and the rest is up to the willpower of the individual.

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    Originally posted by Big Daddy Chemo
    One thing to keep in mind:

    If using 1,4 while cutting the effect will be an INCREASED APPETITE. Not a desired effect when cutting

    Chemo
    Chemo, I thought all ph, and 1-test will increase appetite?
    4AD will cause water retention, while 1AD/1test will give lean gains. Don't know much about the 5AA or 1,4. So for cutting wouldn't 1test/1ad be best?

    I went 8 weeks using SO+ and homebrew (4g 1test, 6g 4AD). For the next one I think I will use up my 2 bottles of 1AD, and add some 4AD homebrew. Closer to spring I will cut by may be using straight 1test. Sound good?
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    Originally posted by Sean
    Sounds like a good stack, LG, but how much does it cost? And where the hell do you get all the money for that at age 18? I mean, if I even suggested buying all that in one go, my wife would kick my ass.

    I would drop 1K at a time for my gear cycles. If you handle the money in the house how would your wife every know? If you dont handle it start.
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    I don't handle all the money. I mean, I'm the one MAKING it, but I'm usually just too damned lazy to do the bills and all.
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    Originally posted by Sean
    I don't handle all the money. I mean, I'm the one MAKING it, but I'm usually just too damned lazy to do the bills and all.

    Yeah but it would be worth it to take them over. Then you can hide the amount your spending to get bigger.
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    Originally posted by Lifeguard
    I'm a young one I'm only 18, but I know about the hairloss thing because every male on my moms side of the family still has a fill head of hair!

    And we all know that the hairloss gene comes from our moms.

    18 now I feel old.

    That mother side of the family is total crap. My brother in law is almost bald and he is only 26 years old. His moms side is solid on the hair front. But his dad was bald before he was 30.
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    Lifeguard,

    those cycles sound great, but are very expensive.

    What bf% are you before and after cutting?
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    He's about 1%. He's a lifegaurd.... hehehe. talk to ya
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    Originally posted by Super Tri's
    Lifeguard,

    those cycles sound great, but are very expensive.

    What bf% are you before and after cutting?

    Well, most recently, as in Mid September I was at about 152 @ 4.8% bf, no water retention from the ECA and I was already drinking a ton of water per day anyway...I had some major shredz goin', that was badass.

    before my cutting I was about 147 @ about 10-11%

    People thought I weighed about 165-170 the whole time and whwnI told them my actual weight, they refuced to beleive me until I stepped onto a scale to prove it.

    And curt,

    1% is next summer...hehe


    P.S. When I was cutting,I wasn't even trying it just kinda happened, I was taking in a slightly reduced calorie diet, cheating all the time, and taking ECA....I dont know
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    Originally posted by curt2go
    He's about 1%. He's a lifegaurd.... hehehe. talk to ya

    Next year before I compete I plan to be in the range of 2.8-3.5% bf Thats gonna be a bitch, (but thats what UA is for, hehe )
  

  
 

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