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    That is a crazy bf%, especially saying you cheated.

    I had to f'n do 6-8 session of cardio, 50g of carbs a day and 6 litres of water a day to go down to 10%.

    Consider yourself pretty lucky.

    Thats why this year i'm going to keep my bf% around 12% year round, so I can try and cut to about 7-8% with 12 weeks of work.

    One of the trainers at my gym (who's my friend and I train with occasionally), is the most shredded person I have ever seen! He is probably about 3% year round, he is so f'n lean it's unreal, no fat anywhere, barely even skin.

    But he's a freak of nature, he eats about 1000 carbs a day ontop of that.

    I think it's all the drugs that keep him lean (other that anabolics)

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    I had to f'n do 6-8 session of cardio...


    I think to add insult to injury the only cardio I did was stacking/unstacking about 100-150 lounge chairs (10-15 pounds each) per day and doing an occassional 10-20 meter sprint-swim to save some dumbass that thought they could swim(2x/day) and stand on my feet all day long, and this is the WHOLE summer.

    Oh yeah, and SHIVERING, cuz on some days, it wasn't warm and the wind was blowing, and I know that burns lots of calories.
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Lifeguard
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    Well, most recently, as in Mid September I was at about 152 @ 4.8% bf, no water retention from the ECA and I was already drinking a ton of water per day anyway...I had some major shredz goin', that was badass.

    before my cutting I was about 147 @ about 10-11%

    People thought I weighed about 165-170 the whole time and whwnI told them my actual weight, they refuced to beleive me until I stepped onto a scale to prove it.:rolleye]

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    How tall are you? I got down to 6% this summer and it nearly killed me to do so. Not to bad for a 33 year old married guy with 3 young kids. Normal I sit around 10%.
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    I'm 5'9" and about 157(currently)
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    Originally posted by Lifeguard
    I'm 5'9" and about 157(currently)

    I was about the same when I was 18. Now I am 205 off cycle about 9% BF.
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    Lifeguard,
    ya, you have it easy, but packing on the pounds of course would be your challenge because of your body type.

    I used to be a lifeguard too, but my girlfriend can kick my ass at swimming.

    She swam competitivly from 8-19 (were both 22 now). She was very very good, one of the best in Canada (for what's that worth) when she was younger.

    The training they have to go through is nuts, she had to start weight training when she was 12.

    But, her quads are stronger than mine and most people if you pick a lower weight and both go to failure.


    Aneas,
    great work, must have really worked your ass off.

    This year i'm going to start cutting earlier so i'll be lean for when summer starts, rather than finishes
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    **Aneas,
    great work, must have really worked your ass off.***

    Yeah that and I took alot of gear. I think when I started I was 130 lbs.

    I went to my 10 year high school reunion and people **** there pants when they saw me.
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    Originally posted by Super Tri's
    Lifeguard,
    ya, you have it easy, but packing on the pounds of course would be your challenge because of your body type.


    I'm an Ecto-Meso, more meso than ecto...hehe
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    Originally posted by Aneas

    I went to my 10 year high school reunion and people **** there pants when they saw me.

    Thats fukin' COOL!! I want that to happen to me!
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    Originally posted by Lifeguard



    Thats fukin' COOL!! I want that to happen to me!
    I hear that. When I was in HS I sat between 103 and 115 for wrestling and martial arts tournaments... until Senior year. If I was even 160 when they saw me I doubt I'd be recognized. :-P

    Thanks for the inspiration Aneas


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    Originally posted by BrKonman


    I hear that. When I was in HS I sat between 103 and 115 for wrestling and martial arts tournaments... until Senior year. If I was even 160 when they saw me I doubt I'd be recognized. :-P

    Thanks for the inspiration Aneas


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    I was also into wrestling in HS. My senior year I had enough bulk to go at 125. lol.
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    Ohhh I see we have some wrestlers in the house


    WRESTLING KICKS ASS!!
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    Originally posted by Aneas


    I was also into wrestling in HS. My senior year I had enough bulk to go at 125. lol.
    LoL... I remember the guys wrestling anything over that being able to sit on me and get a pin. Man, I wish I could go a round with some of those tubbies now :-P
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    Originally posted by curt2go
    ...and lost body fat and gained weight... It is awsome.. talk to ya..

    If you were over on BB.com they would flame you and say that it was impossible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.
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    Originally posted by Lifeguard



    If you were over on BB.com they would flame you and say that it was impossible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.

    Guess they have never done fina/prop/eq/winny stack.
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    Originally posted by Aneas



    Guess they have never done fina/prop/eq/winny stack.

    Yeah, that sure would do it.
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    They don't sell that stack here.
    Anyone actually have any luck ordering online?
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    Originally posted by Sean
    They don't sell that stack here.
    Anyone actually have any luck ordering online?
    Yes. Visit boards get to know the vets/mods. That will minimize your chances of getting scammed.
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    Originally posted by Gmonkey
    If you were using that stack to cut what diet would you go with?
    Keto or a conventional diet? How many calories per pound body weight? I may do this In Jan. could I use the t1-pro or would you recommend the T1?

    Would you even bother with SU while on this?

    Would you use 7-keto and how much cardio would you do?

    Type of training

    for my mass phase I am doing

    6-10 reps, not taken to failure.

    Mon: Chest-4 sets/Quads-4sets/shoulders-2sets/triceps-4sets/calves-4 sets



    Tue: Hamstrings-4 sets/Back-4sets/Biceps-4sets/Abs 4 sets
    reverse pec deck 3 sets, forearms 3 sets

    Wed:Repeat Monday

    Thur:Off

    Fri:Repeat Tuesday

    Sat:Repeat Monday

    Sun:Repeat Tuesday
    Mon: off

    I'm going to be doing something similar (starting monday), but aren't you suppossed to give a minimal 48hrs before working the same body part? Why not rest wednesday then repeat? I'm going to go only 4 days a week (mon/tues, thurs/fri) with a similar routine. Let me know if i've been misinformed!
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    Originally posted by dodgeee-O


    I'm going to be doing something similar (starting monday), but aren't you suppossed to give a minimal 48hrs before working the same body part? Why not rest wednesday then repeat? I'm going to go only 4 days a week (mon/tues, thurs/fri) with a similar routine. Let me know if i've been misinformed!
     

    When ur using PH/AAS you can work the same bodypart more often because the compounds allow you do recover a lot faster...

     

     

    LG.
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    Originally posted by Lifeguard


     

    When ur using PH/AAS you can work the same bodypart more often because the compounds allow you do recover a lot faster...

     

     

    LG.
    If you are cutting, therefore on a restricted diet, I would not go to completely overboard on the training. Without the needed calories, you can even overtrain on PH/AAS.
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    Originally posted by SteveDFW


    If you are cutting, therefore on a restricted diet, I would not go to completely overboard on the training. Without the needed calories, you can even overtrain on PH/AAS.
    Good point even with the extra calories I dont know why you would want to train the same body part on only 2 days rest. Better to undertrain than overtrain. Cutting is more about diet than training anyway.
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    Great read on cutting. LG way to go you made a lot of educated comments in this thread. Tremendous part on your effort.
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    Why thank you Dar...

    however I cannot take credit for all of it...

    (time to be humble)

    the stuff on 3-Alpha was paraphrased from Bill L.'s article on the 3-alpha compound, the training I outlined was courtesy of Mike Mentzer "heavy duty" training.

    and all of the prohormone info (except for dosages) I learned from Big Cat, William Llewellyn, BDC, and many other sources that I cannot remember

    All that I stated was just my opinion and information I had acquired from other sources and also personal experience.

     

    Thanks much for the props though Dar

     

    LG.

     

     
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    so hows this.....this is what i have for my cutting cycle soon.

     

    6 grams fina in T-gel with double DMSO

    thinking of adding 5 grams 4ad to the fina mix, someone said not to so I'm not sure about that now.

    ECA of course.

     

    now after reading this, I'm wondering about adding the 5aa, or 3alpha.  Im not sure I will have the money for both, so which would be better in anyone's opinion, or do I even need it.

     

    Oh yeah thats going to last for 4 weeks, I also have some T1pro left which I think I am going to use up in the week before my official cycle starts.

     

    Right now I'm about 12% bf.  I WILL get down to at least 7% by summer.  Yous think its possible?

     

    so whats the deal?

     

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    Hope you don't mind smelling.. Double the DMSO is not a good idea. There is a reason that it is 10%. Its not just an arbitrary # picked. It is the best absorption with the least sides. I would not recomend going over the 10%.. Hope that helps.. Talk to ya...
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    Originally posted by curt2go
    Hope you don't mind smelling.. Double the DMSO is not a good idea. There is a reason that it is 10%. Its not just an arbitrary # picked. It is the best absorption with the least sides. I would not recomend going over the 10%.. Hope that helps.. Talk to ya...
     

    ok, thanks.  What about adding the 5aa or 1,4 ? 

     

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    Last edited by hamper19; 01-21-2003 at 07:47 PM.
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    Originally posted by hamper19


     

    ok, thanks.  What about adding the 5aa or 1,4 ? 

     

    h19
    I'd go for the 5-AA, 1,4 will increase the appetite...not desireable for cutting

     

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    I'm dieting for a contest right now and I actually plan on using a similar stack. I just started using super 1+, after that bottle is empty I will switch to a custom 1-test with 12g of 1-test in Avant's gel and add 1,4 Andro with also ECA as needed to combat lethargy and appetite. I was wondering the best source for the 1,4 Andro though.
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    Originally posted by Baumer
    I was wondering the best source for the 1,4 Andro though.
    The best sources of 1,4-andro are:

    Boldione by Molecular Nutrition

    1,4-diol by BDC ( http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...mp;threadid=80&nbsp

    1,4-dione by 1Fast400 ( www.1fast400.com ) <----can I say that?

    and...uhhh...thats all I can think of right now...I'm off to school.

     

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    Thanks, those were the 3 I was thinking of too. It looks like BDC and 1fast are the best deals, now there's the whole dione vs. diol debate with that, and 1fast's come 300mg so it'd be 1 cap 2x a day, as oppossed to 2 caps 3x a day which most people seem to prefer due to 1,4 Andro's shorter half life.
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    What do you guys think of Researchkits.com ph products. Namely 5-alpha androstanediol "oral" liquid in a sterile alcohol, oil base and ANORTHARONE?
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    bump for a reply for champsters post. I had recently noticed they added that, and was thinking about purchasing some.

    1,4 would be my choice however, 20 grams 70 beans, not bad.
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    Hamper,

    There is a guy who used liquid Anastrozole on another forum. I've asked him about the effectiveness of these oral prepared items. I will hit you back as soon as I get a response.
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    I'm not sure I would use their oral formula's though.. Its much better bang for your buck to get the powder and either cap it yourself or make a homebrew etc.

    IMO anyway
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    Now what type of diet/cardio routine would you employ on a PH cut? I'm planning to start one in may. How many calories under maintence should I eat? My guess is 500. Also can I get away with doing more cardio? Say 4 days a week?
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    what ph ..............IMO you can cut just by eating maintenance cals.........its all about the qualtiy/cleanliness of the food.
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    1-test/4ad homebrew would be the ph cycle. Or I could just go with 1-test and no 4ad
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