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One thing is the glycogen uptake. M or S drol is funny in the way that gains are so quick but fast to leave. How about we figure out how to keep these gains. We on AM are pretty smart and can figure out this problem! Lets do some research!!
 
Bridge it to epi or follow a strict PCT w/ the appropriate caloric intake to maintain the size. I don't know about everyone else but I don't want the glycogen weight but the muscle mass you should be able to keep with what I said above. I keep more muslce mass and less glycogen when I keep my carbs low and fat and protein high. Just food for thought:)

and badger milk, lots of badger milk.


Also, not to be a smart ass or anything but most users on this board do know how to keep gains (whether they follow the correct PCT to keep the gains or not is another story) So there really wasn't a need for this thread. I can imagine it's probably covered in the PCT sticky at the top of the Anabolics page
 
A real PCT, clomid,nolvadex, use creatine, jack up your protein intake. like 3, 52g shakes a day. Eat right. And for the love of God keep lifting hard!!

I see alot of people lose the mental edge post cycle.
Don't let that happen to you.

Get your self some Jack3d 2 1/2 to 3 scoops preworkout and give it hell!
Also, stay off the sauce in PCT.

JP.
 
jp17815 said:
A real PCT, clomid,nolvadex, use creatine, jack up your protein intake. like 3, 52g shakes a day. Eat right. And for the love of God keep lifting hard!!

I see alot of people lose the mental edge post cycle.
Don't let that happen to you.

Get your self some Jack3d 2 1/2 to 3 scoops preworkout and give it hell!
Also, stay off the sauce in PCT.

JP.
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Amen to losing motivation after cycle! Do whatever it takes to stay motivated.
 
I started to loose a couple lbs from super, but im starting to gain them back rather quick now :D, my motivation is so high because im happy with torem!
 
I like to quit taking creatine and my preworkout about 4 weeks before going on just so my body can clear out the tolerance for those products. That way when you start those up in PCT again they'll be super effective. I'd also suggest a Cort Blocker, SERM, Test Booster, and maybe even something like formestane and/or HGHup and/or GHenerate to help preserve those gains.

Some people like to think that less is more in PCT, but with the 10+ lbs of weight you can gain on SD (or even P-Plex).....I have to disagree with that concept.
 
gamer2be08 said:
Use a mild dry ph to harden up your m-drol gains, as people already do.
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This is a great concept talked about often on here...

Used myself with sd and phera... Very easy to keep gains and add a few more lbs.

Epi or tren would be another compound to look at to help this.

Besides the rapid increase in glycogen, for most as u stated sd cause a quick rise in lbs and strength in 3 wks. Def not ample time for the body to adjust even with increasing your cals to match the increased weight. So adding a milder aas for an extra few wks gives the body extra time to adjust to this rapid increase.
 
There are no non-steroid compounds that will help you retain anywhere near that amount of glycogen. For a while I was taking 10mg of SD 1x per week and I felt the additional glycogen for about 3 days. By the time I get to the gym after that single dose my veins are already popping out like crazy and I feel pumped as hell. I can imagine on a full-blown cycle the glycogen uptake would be insane. That's another reason why I advocate the 2-on/2-off, as it lets you take advantage of that excess glycogen to carry your gains into the next "on" period... But that's off-topic...

The main things you can do to keep your newly acquired mass is maintain proper training and nutrition. Once you've got those pillars in check, other things also help such as using creatine, "natural testosterone boosters", and if you've got the $$ peptides and/or GH.
 
I've never personally done it but i've seen people say to kick off a test cycle with SD ...the test will at least preserve SD gains if not add a bit more size.
 
Libertarian said:
There are no non-steroid compounds that will help you retain anywhere near that amount of glycogen. For a while I was taking 10mg of SD 1x per week and I felt the additional glycogen for about 3 days. By the time I get to the gym after that single dose my veins are already popping out like crazy and I feel pumped as hell. I can imagine on a full-blown cycle the glycogen uptake would be insane. That's another reason why I advocate the 2-on/2-off, as it lets you take advantage of that excess glycogen to carry your gains into the next "on" period... But that's off-topic...

The main things you can do to keep your newly acquired mass is maintain proper training and nutrition. Once you've got those pillars in check, other things also help such as using creatine, "natural testosterone boosters", and if you've got the $$ peptides and/or GH.
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So a two off two on? How long do you do that for? What about bridging into something else like p-plex with the same protocol or something like epi/tren/hdrol ran for a solid 4 weeks to wrap it up?
 
frontload the mdrol for 3 weeks at 10/20/20 while cycling tren for 90/90/90/90/90/90. that way you have 3 more weeks to solidify the gains before you hit PCT. not that rugger is here to ask how that worked out though :(
 
I've noticed that after a cycle I lose a few in water weight, and a few to fat loss.

I'm a firm believer in the pulse method. currently pulsing furaz and halo on lifting days. I think a pulse of something like this for a couple weeks after cycle would help harden up gains and help you keep most of them. When pulsing I keep taking my natty test boosters (herbal-all of them) creatine, and also liv 52 and extra milk thistle.

results for last two cycles? Lost about 4 lbs, kept gaining size, strength, cut fat and increased vascularity. Keep in mind one year ago I was chunky 191 lbs at 5-6. Dropped to 157. First cycle went to 173 lbs and lost about 5.5 of that. Now I'm a lean ripped 169 and have been gaining about .25 lb a week on this pulse. I just cant seem to get enough calories (like 3200-3500 ain't enough).

Only prob I see with this is if your prone to sides. Extending the cycle might hurt ya.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I'm gonna pulse Superdrol then bridge to diendrone, then bridge to Epi, then bridge to Furaguno. That's my attempt to dry it up. I'm gonna log it. I'm not a gifted writer so I wont win an award over it, but you;ll know how it turned out.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
So a two off two on? How long do you do that for? What about bridging into something else like p-plex with the same protocol or something like epi/tren/hdrol ran for a solid 4 weeks to wrap it up?
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The 2-weeker is great as it is. If you look at it 6+ months at a time, running the 2-weeker can offer the same if not better gains than more "traditional" longer cycles all the while avoiding "PCT crash" and minimizing side effects. I don't really want to talk much about it as for some reason people who almost nothing about the protocol like to talk about all it's "flaws" and why it's a waste of time. But, if you listen to what people who have run it have to say (I will be one of those guys in a few weeks) you'll hear nothing but positive comments. So, if you're interested, I'd say check this out: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/139997-pulsing-m-drol.html particularly posts #25 and #28. Also check this thread out and the links that are posted in the first reply: Invalid Link Removed

Familiarize yourself with the idea of the "2-stage" HPTA suppression process and you'll see how the 2-weeker can help optimize your gains to shutdown/sides ratio.

Like I said, I don't like discussing it on this forum because people usually already have their mind made up that longer cycles are always better and the discussions go nowhere. But if you have any questions you can PM me. I'm no expert but I've read everything I have been able to find about the protocol. In fact, a couple people from this forum who are running it have been PMing me about how happy they are with it.

Oh, and if you are set on only running oral PH/DS compounds, then I would only suggest powerful compounds (if you read through those links you'll see why). In other words, quality SD clones should work well and maybe even PP or Epi if you are one of those guys who respond better and quicker with the latter two.
 
There is NO WAY to keep all the gains guys. There is going to be water and fat. (as mentioned above). I gained nice muscle and strength with DS Superdrol. Best of any cycle I've ran by far. It was very hard to lose weight when I started my cut. It took 3-4 weeks before I started to drop. I was also on a caloric deficit and running my ass off. DS Superdrol packs on nice muscle and you'll keep a nice amount. The problem is when we take these supps ourselves we never see ourselves the way others do. We grow very fast and it's quite noticeable to others even though we don;'t see it. Even after PCT and some of us see drops in lifts and even a few pound drop off. We are always bigger than we were before. Get out some old pics and take a look. :) Cheers, Angel77
 
Libertarian said:
The 2-weeker is great as it is. If you look at it 6+ months at a time, running the 2-weeker can offer the same if not better gains than more "traditional" longer cycles all the while avoiding "PCT crash" and minimizing side effects. I don't really want to talk much about it as for some reason people who almost nothing about the protocol like to talk about all it's "flaws" and why it's a waste of time. But, if you listen to what people who have run it have to say (I will be one of those guys in a few weeks) you'll hear nothing but positive comments. So, if you're interested, I'd say check this out: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/139997-pulsing-m-drol.html particularly posts #25 and #28. Also check this thread out and the links that are posted in the first reply: Invalid Link Removed

Familiarize yourself with the idea of the "2-stage" HPTA suppression process and you'll see how the 2-weeker can help optimize your gains to shutdown/sides ratio.

Like I said, I don't like discussing it on this forum because people usually already have their mind made up that longer cycles are always better and the discussions go nowhere. But if you have any questions you can PM me. I'm no expert but I've read everything I have been able to find about the protocol. In fact, a couple people from this forum who are running it have been PMing me about how happy they are with it.

Oh, and if you are set on only running oral PH/DS compounds, then I would only suggest powerful compounds (if you read through those links you'll see why). In other words, quality SD clones should work well and maybe even PP or Epi if you are one of those guys who respond better and quicker with the latter two.
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Word man. I've got all this stuff loaded into separate windows in my browser so I have something to read on my flight today. I'll post on this thread again or that pulsing mdrol thread if I have any questions.
 
Recently bought Isatori's Istest GF, tried out 2 pillls to see if I would respond at all, and did.. quite well. Went to Isatori's website and saw their product called Morph, read a log on it on bodybuilding.com. Seems like if you're a responder it may help with keeping the gains.

Gotta love superdrol and pheraplex.. :P
 
stankyleg said:
I'm gonna pulse Superdrol then bridge to diendrone, then bridge to Epi, then bridge to Furaguno. That's my attempt to dry it up. I'm gonna log it. I'm not a gifted writer so I wont win an award over it, but you;ll know how it turned out.
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wow,nice to read this bro,i've sure you gonna dry it up.but how do you plan to do that?
 
caesars said:
wow,nice to read this bro,i've sure you gonna dry it up.but how do you plan to do that?
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MWF
Superdrol 10/10-20/20/20-30 to
Diendrone25/25/50/50 to
Epi 30/40/40/40 To
Furaguno 265/300/333/333-366


I'll take Mucuna and a t Booster everyday
Cycle Support products as well ED
 
Lib -

I have a pretty firm grasp on the 2 on/2 off protocol. I have a few questions as I did not see this covered.

In your off weeks, what else can you take besides just a SERM? During those off weeks can you throw down a typical PCT protocol (IE SERM, creatine, Pre-WO, AI like foremestane, cortisol control, T booster, etc)?

My main concerns are the creatine (liver), Pre-WO (blood pressure), and OTC AI.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
In your off weeks, what else can you take besides just a SERM? During those off weeks can you throw down a typical PCT protocol (IE SERM, creatine, Pre-WO, AI like foremestane, cortisol control, T booster, etc)?
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PCT is pretty much just an abridgment of a "standard" PCT. In other words, creatine, pre-workout sups, and natural testosterone boosters are all good. Cortisol control and AI are fine "within reason" dependent on the situation just like any other PCT. I personally am not a big fan of making AI's prominent aspects of PCT, but that's just me. Of the handful of forums I frequent, this seems to be the only one where throwing an AI in during PCT is "standard" practice.

TheDarkHalf said:
My main concerns are the creatine (liver), Pre-WO (blood pressure), and OTC AI.
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If you're worried about your liver, I suggest regular bloodwork. This is something we all should be doing on a regular basis if we're using AAS regardless of the cycle protocols we are implementing. As for blood pressure, I bought a cheap device from Wal-Mart and use it to keep daily tabs on my bloodpressure. This is something you should be doing a few times per week if not everyday while on any steroid or stimulant (such as an EC stack) anyway. Couldn't tell you much about OTC AI products, never mess with them. The pharmacutical stuff (letro, adex, aromasin) is cheaper, easily accessible and clinically proven so I haven't developed an interest in the OTC lineup (not that none of them are any good).
 
Libertarian said:
PCT is pretty much just an abridgment of a "standard" PCT. In other words, creatine, pre-workout sups, and natural testosterone boosters are all good. Cortisol control and AI are fine "within reason" dependent on the situation just like any other PCT. I personally am not a big fan of making AI's prominent aspects of PCT, but that's just me. Of the handful of forums I frequent, this seems to be the only one where throwing an AI in during PCT is "standard" practice.

If you're worried about your liver, I suggest regular bloodwork. This is something we all should be doing on a regular basis if we're using AAS regardless of the cycle protocols we are implementing. As for blood pressure, I bought a cheap device from Wal-Mart and use it to keep daily tabs on my bloodpressure. This is something you should be doing a few times per week if not everyday while on any steroid or stimulant (such as an EC stack) anyway. Couldn't tell you much about OTC AI products, never mess with them. The pharmacutical stuff (letro, adex, aromasin) is cheaper, easily accessible and clinically proven so I haven't developed an interest in the OTC lineup (not that none of them are any good).
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Word. Pretty much answers my questions. Can't wait to give this 2 on/2 off protocol a shot.
 
stankyleg said:
MWF
Superdrol 10/10-20/20/20-30 to
Diendrone25/25/50/50 to
Epi 30/40/40/40 To
Furaguno 265/300/333/333-366


I'll take Mucuna and a t Booster everyday
Cycle Support products as well ED
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i've never seen a cycle like this,is your first time mixing 4 ph's?
 
caesars said:
i've never seen a cycle like this,is your first time mixing 4 ph's?
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Yup. Methyl/NonMethyl/Methyl/Nonmethyl is my idea there. I'm bridging from one to the next. I have been thinking about letting the Dienedrone and Epi overlap for a week. I'm trying to give my liver a break in there. These will be pulsed so it shouldnt be too harsh. The only rough one in there is Superdrol and I may not take it past 20mg. I proabaly wont have to. I went from 185 to 198 in 4 weeks with and EPI/Furaguno Stack on my last cycle. I dosed the Epi 20/30/30/40.
 
stankyleg said:
Yup. Methyl/NonMethyl/Methyl/Nonmethyl is my idea there. I'm bridging from one to the next. I have been thinking about letting the Dienedrone and Epi overlap for a week. I'm trying to give my liver a break in there. These will be pulsed so it shouldnt be too harsh. The only rough one in there is Superdrol and I may not take it past 20mg. I proabaly wont have to. I went from 185 to 198 in 4 weeks with and EPI/Furaguno Stack on my last cycle. I dosed the Epi 20/30/30/40.
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make sense,now i can feel you.do you got diendrone on hands?
 
caesars said:
make sense,now i can feel you.do you got diendrone on hands?
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It's around. You can find it on the net pretty cheap. Search for liquidrone
 
stankyleg said:
MWF
Superdrol 10/10-20/20/20-30 to
Diendrone25/25/50/50 to
Epi 30/40/40/40 To
Furaguno 265/300/333/333-366
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I've been thinking alot about how to work mdrol into a cycle and keep the gains. My next cycle will certainly use mdrol and I really liked pheraplex so I would like to use that.

I run into the same question though, how do I keep my gains? and perhaps more importantly, how do I not put my liver through a woodchipper?


I've been thinking of doing something similar to bridge mdrol and phera without mulching my liver, I'll most likely use xtren and test cyp with the mdrol and phera to try to hold those mdrol gains while not beating up my organs too hard.

Here is what I've come up with:

test cyp: 250mg a week
phera:00/00/00/00/00/20/20/20/20/20
mdrol:20/20/20/10/00/00/00/00/00/00 (490mg of mdrol total)
Xtren:00/00/60/90/90/60/60/00/00/00


that is a little long though, so maybe:

test cyp: 250mg a week
phera:10/20/20/20/20/20
mdrol: "pulsed" 3x week, 10-20mg pwo, 6 weeks (only <240mg of mdrol total)
Xtren:60/60/60/60/60/60


use HCG the whole time, then follow it up with a solid PCT of clomid/nolva and all the normal natural goodies and I think that should get me 10-15lbs of muscle after PCT. Goal will be all out bulk.
 
hey guys, I hope someone can help me out... I'm obviously new to this forum. I recently started an xtren/mdrol cycle that was going to look as follows
xtren: 90/90/120/120/120
mdrol:0/0/10/20/20

however, I injured my hand being an angry idiot 3 days ago and went to the ER where I was told I might have had a broken hand (turns out the muscles tore and the bone is just bruised). It has been 3 days since this and i initiated my pct. Today at the gym, my hand felt pretty decent and I was able to do just about everything with minimal amounts of pain. I really want to continue the cycle and was wondering if this is a good idea. I really appreciate all the help.
P.S. i was two weeks into the cycle
 
hahaha, I was JUST thinking the same thing. I'll do that in a bit, haven't seen him around in awhile. Probably got tired of people telling him there must be something wrong with him because he didn't put on 20lbs from 500mg of test! lol
 
hey guys, I hope someone can help me out... I'm obviously new to this forum. I recently started an xtren/mdrol cycle that was going to look as follows
xtren: 90/90/120/120/120
mdrol:0/0/10/20/20

however, I injured my hand being an angry idiot 3 days ago and went to the ER where I was told I might have had a broken hand (turns out the muscles tore and the bone is just bruised). It has been 3 days since this and i initiated my pct. Today at the gym, my hand felt pretty decent and I was able to do just about everything with minimal amounts of pain. I really want to continue the cycle and was wondering if this is a good idea. I really appreciate all the help.
P.S. i was two weeks into the cycle
 
looks like you posted twice bro, if it were me i'd just finish PCT and then go back on cycle again in 2-3 weeks. recovery from a 2 week cycle should be very quick. I hope you are using a SERM
 
yeah i am using a SERM. how long should i do pct for since i only got through 2 weeks of the cycle. (i didnt even get to stack the m-drol)
 
I'd just run a normal PCT to be safe, at least 3 weeks, many do the 2 week on and 2 week off cycles though. better to be safe than sorry when messing with that stuff tho, it's only a few weeks, not a big deal in the grand scheme of your life.
 
Chamulet said:
yeah i am using a SERM. how long should i do pct for since i only got through 2 weeks of the cycle. (i didnt even get to stack the m-drol)
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To be honest I don't think you need a PCT. You were only two weeks in - tren is some harsh stuff though. I guess it all depends on how shutdown you feel.
 
thanks man, I appreciate the help. I am just super bummed about not being able to finish the cycle i guess. I'm sure you understand
 
im on day 11 of a tren / mdrol and i dont feel shut down at all.. how much have you gained so far Cham?
 
nice, i put on a whopping 16 lbs and im on day 11. although the nuts do feel a bit tender
 
x-tren 60/90/90/90/90-120/90-120
m-drol 10/10/10-20/20/0/0
TZ3 0/150/0/150/0/300
size on (1st week only)
cycle assist
milk thistle
Flax Seed Oils 5g ED
p5p

pct
clomid 100/50/50/25
pct assist
TZ3 300 ATW
Size On
Flax 5g
p5p
vitex
Dopabean

i have decided to lay off the size on as i have been on creatine since oct, and i dont see much gains from it anymore!! im saving it for PCT.
 
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