I have been trying to read up as much as I can lately about HCG. The 500iu every 5 days seems to be the best method.
But the more I read, the more I hear and the more I get confused. Some say to run it during PCT, but since HCG is slightly supressive by itself, why would you want to run it with your PCT? So, I scratched that one from the get-go. The next most common one I read about was to use it in the middle of the cycle, taper up, and then taper back down until the very first dose of your SERM dosing regimen. That being the first dose of your SERM for PCT be the next day after the last shot of HCG.
Here's an example, this was just posted today at Anabolic Freakz. I was gonna post a reply and ask him to explain it more but for some reason I was thread-locked?
SO, what I'm basically trying to say is that the 500iu twice/week is good to go, but if it takes a longer time thna people think to kick in wouldn't this be no good except for really long cycle?
Also, has anybody had first hand experience with doing a cycle w/o HCG and had noticed testicular hypertrophy, AND has run a similair cycle w/ HCG w/ the regimen being 500iu twice/week and noticed that it indeed helped comapred to the previous cycle? Man, talk about frazzled...any help here???
But the more I read, the more I hear and the more I get confused. Some say to run it during PCT, but since HCG is slightly supressive by itself, why would you want to run it with your PCT? So, I scratched that one from the get-go. The next most common one I read about was to use it in the middle of the cycle, taper up, and then taper back down until the very first dose of your SERM dosing regimen. That being the first dose of your SERM for PCT be the next day after the last shot of HCG.
Here's an example, this was just posted today at Anabolic Freakz. I was gonna post a reply and ask him to explain it more but for some reason I was thread-locked?
Now there are more, but this post caught my eye the most because he says that HCG effects can take a VERY LONG time to "kick in", thus why is this method any different?I have posted this on two other boards but wasn't getting much feedback, so I wanna post it here because I know a couple of you have used HCG. After seeing DG saying he uses it and a few others, I decided to do my own research and figure some things out. You might not agree with me on this, but it's only my opnion of what I have found.
So, to start, I can tell you that using HCG takes a little bit of time to kick in and in some cases, can take months for it to kick in for people that don't respond well to it. So, the small doses of 500iu for just two days a week isn't going to cut it like some think. Also, HCG is best used after 8 weeks and after doing this research I have found how important it can be if added to a cycle and has been shown to be the only drug to be able to kick in natural test without the body being at a deficit which = a great thing.
I don't care how many times you use HCG in a cycle, if you don't use it close to the end of a cycle, it can mean that your shut down again and you just wasted your money....being that it only takes approximately 2-3 weeks for natural test to be shut down.
How does HCG work? Well, it's very simple...atleast, I'll make it simple for you. HCG takes the place of LH (luteinizing hormone) and this sends a signal to the testes to begin producing testosterone again. The only problem with this is, it causes a negative feedback and then you have to recover from the drop in LH. Using it for no more than 3 weeks and making sure you end it about 1-2 weeks before you end your usual PCT should solve this small problem.
Doses...In most of the studies I have found, doses from 3000iu to 5000iu for the first dose, then slowly decreasing and injecting about 3 times per week. I still think that this might be a little excessive for what we need, so I will use some of Big Cat's doses to make it easier, since he happens to be the closest I have ever seen anyone get to the study doses. He reommends this..."One every 5-6 days. Start off with one shot of 3000 IU somewhere in the last week of your stack, then another 3000 5 days later, then drop to 1500 5 days later and a last shot of 1500 6 days after that. Sometime after the second or third shot, therapy with Nolvadex or clomid should be commenced and continued..." Some argue that this frequncy of injections does not keep levels up enough and injections shouldn't be spread out so much. The drug company that makes Pregnyl recommends taking 1000iu-2000iu about 3 times a week. So, if one would opt for more frequent injections, go with 1000iu 3 times a week for week one, 500iu 3 times for week 2 and finally another 1500iu for week 3. At this point you hsould be within one week of your PCT.
Sound good? I will be doing this on my next cycle in a couple months.
SO, what I'm basically trying to say is that the 500iu twice/week is good to go, but if it takes a longer time thna people think to kick in wouldn't this be no good except for really long cycle?
Also, has anybody had first hand experience with doing a cycle w/o HCG and had noticed testicular hypertrophy, AND has run a similair cycle w/ HCG w/ the regimen being 500iu twice/week and noticed that it indeed helped comapred to the previous cycle? Man, talk about frazzled...any help here???