Who else has 4oht cyp other than VPX
- 03-16-2004, 02:38 PM
- 03-16-2004, 03:00 PM
- 03-16-2004, 03:14 PM
If I'm not mistaken Designer Supps will have a methly version of 4-oht around the first of April, don't know if they sale cyp though. Check it out.
03-16-2004, 03:41 PM
Designer Supps is gonna have 4-oht cyp too , i remembered that I read it somewhere !
03-16-2004, 04:26 PM
03-16-2004, 05:43 PM
I believe HMGEAR has had problems due to customs holding up raw materials.
03-16-2004, 05:53 PM
Is this the one that is not supposed to supress HPTA?
03-16-2004, 07:39 PM
03-16-2004, 08:06 PM
hmgear's site is up now, they have the 4oht, but its a decanoate, even longer ester than the cyp, how many times would u guys still inject this guy, twice a week or three? Also the 100mg/ml kinda sucks...
03-16-2004, 08:10 PM
03-16-2004, 08:16 PM
I like the advance Hair Keeping CycleOriginally Posted by Jarconis
(Nandrolone-OH, Testosterone-OH, Advance 4-AD) for 6 weeks realy sound good for me !
03-16-2004, 08:17 PM
look at the sample cycles at thier pages !Originally Posted by hogiejoe
03-16-2004, 08:26 PM
yeah, but sic, those bein decanoate esters, they wouldnt really even kick in till the 4th week mark, so what good is a 6 week cycle with those esters...
03-16-2004, 08:53 PM
I guess you'll have to use a methyl with this , so i'll go with M 4-oht for 4 weeks , and i'll use another 4-ad stack like from DS the Pro-Sust for 6 weeks, and still keep the 4-ohn deconate for 8 weeks, that gotta give it a kickOriginally Posted by Jarconis
03-17-2004, 04:09 PM
Some of the info on that site is BS OH-Nandrolone will be much harder on the hair than regular nandrolone because when deca is 5 alpha reduced it becomes much less androgenic rather than more androgenic like test. Nandrolone binds 3x stronger to the androgen receptor than test.Originally Posted by sicosico
03-17-2004, 05:24 PM
being androgenic is not a meter for hair loss , but it is good on hair cause it does not convert to dht or dhn !Originally Posted by BIGAINS
03-17-2004, 05:35 PM
Sledge didnt answer my pm about when he expects to have his 4oht cyp out
03-17-2004, 05:45 PM
I'm waiting on his methyl 4-oht !Originally Posted by Jarconis
03-17-2004, 09:15 PM
Team Life Research has a decanoate as well. 200 mg/ml, 20 ml, for $85. A bit pricey, but they're out there.
03-22-2004, 03:13 PM
I can only keep the 4oht cyp stable at around 100mg/ml, i feel correct dosing would be 1000mg per week, which means those are frequent and large injections. Any shorter of an ester and it would be even worse, I looked into 4 oht prop but youare looking at something like 25-45mg/ml. what would make 4oht deca good would be for those who like the idea of HRT, but other then using a ****load for a frontload along with a good oral it would take forever to start to work. But I am still looking around.
03-23-2004, 12:30 AM
Bro, its 40ml size not 20, so not a bad price afterall.Originally Posted by Jcc
04-02-2004, 02:26 PM
Im sorry, the decanoate ester is only 15 days
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 4.5 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days
04-02-2004, 02:41 PM
right, 15 days will mean you will still need a good size frontload. I would expect 300-400mgs per day for the first 5 days and then use 1000-1200mgs per week.
I would use a methyl for the first 3 weeks, while running the 4ohn deca till week 6, then drop that and add another shorter acting compound, either 4 ad prop or a different methyl for the last 2 weeks. then you will be able to start PCT and have everything almost completley out of the system.
week 1: 400mg 4OHN Deca per day for the first 5 days with 3mgs MDien or 30mgs M14 per day
weeks 2+3: 1200mg 4 OHN Deca split into 3 different doses, with same methyl dose
weeks 4,5,6: 1200mgs 4ohn Deca split into 3 different doses- no methyl
weeks 7,8: 300mgs 4 ad prop eod and or a different methyl from tehfirst 3 weeks.
Start PCT day 1 of week 9
04-02-2004, 06:21 PM
Interesting combo there. Would you shoot the 4ohn and the 4ad prop?Originally Posted by Designer Supps
04-02-2004, 07:12 PM
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