I want to have some experienced PH users (or steroid) test these two products "on cycle" to check their effectiveness alongside a strong androgen. Anyone interested in logging these for us? PH loggers can use the log section, but I am sure they want any steroid loggers in the anabolics forum. Let us know and we will send you the stuff to try.
Interesting experiment.
On the Ecdy, synergy with an androgen is very significant. Androgens initiate DNA transcription, ecdy facilitates mRNA/tRNA translation. As such, ecdy takes the governor off of the rate limiting step (translation).
Translation: You should be able to use half as much androgen and observe the same or better gains while using ecdy.
Also, if that androgen is 17 alpha alkylated/a methyl, ecdy is a VERY important addition for another reason..... it protects the liver. In fact, the oft cited studes on ecdy outperforming dianabol with respect to protein synthesis measured that particular effect in the LIVER.
Further, it increases bile production. Bile acts to some extent as a detergent, helping to emulsify fats (Farmakol Toksikol, 1986 May-June;49(3):100-3 - Action of phytoecdysteroids on the bile-secretory function of the normal liver and in experimental hepatitis).
Also of note that since DNA transcription is being activated by the androgen, there's no need to initiate a state of catabolism for ecdy to work its magic. You read that right, steroids initiate protein beakdown before they activate synthesis (obviously in favor of the later). Since the androgen does this for you, no need to create this state via training/dietary manipulations.
In my course The Blueprint (google organic anabolism to find it), I spec out exactly how to do this when using Ecdy sans androgen. That's not the intent here, but I'll throw it out for those of you using Ecdy as a standalone and getting the most out of it. Does it work? Here's one of my first customer's results (and he got off to a rough start):
"Have gained ~8 lbs in last two weeks and I can guarenfreakingtee you it ain’t fat!" - Blueprint customer "Brainsquirt"
YMMV, but this is typical. The latest guy was a hoss going into this but stuck at 227lbs and a 355lb bench. In short order (less than a month), he's up to 234lbs and a 380lb bench.
THOSE are the kind of gains Ecdy can deliver.
Good luck to everyone using this and keep the Ecdy feedback coming...
