When SD causes gyno - is it oestro or prolactin connected?

mark118

mark118

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In no way am I saying I have gyno, but have reading an interesting thread over at bb.com about mdrol and gyno. There is a discussion going on whether the gyno that results from SD is oestrogen or prolactin induced. Google throws up opinions on both sides of the argument.


Any opinion on this guys?
 
I haven't seen the thread but what I'm guessing is that since Superdrol is 5-alpha reduced and cannot aromatize, they are automatically assuming that it must be prolactin.

What is actually happening is that there are idiots out there who think OTC aromatase inhibitors are all that is needed for PCT. WRONG. This is where the "delayed onset gyno" comes from. When they stop taking the AI, they get estrogen rebound, which causes their gyno - especially since a lot of fools are actually tapering their aromatase inhibitors UPWARDS during their "PCT" for who knows why.

The moral of the story is if you want to run Superdrol, which is surely one of the most powerful steroids available today (legal or not), make sure you're implementing a proper PCT that includes a real SERM. Too many people think that since Superdrol can be purchased OTC, then all they need for PCT is OTC products as well. This retardedness makes no sense at all.

Just my take on the whole issue.
 
What most are failing to disclose or even overlook is that when post pubescent fat boys with man boobs take steroids (of any kind) they will most likely experience gyno as a result. Unfortunately so may of them are using SD (I believe greatest selling OTC oral steroid to date) and therefore it is being considered the culprit...JMHO.
 
I am prone to estrogen induced gyno and the so-called "progestin gyno" and I get neither from Superdrol.

Superdrol doesn't convert to estrogen and it's not a "progestin" and doesn't mess with progesterone receptors or elevate prolactin (pretty sure)

Gyno from SD is always post cycle gyno occurring from estrogen rebound as stated above

As for gyno ON cycle with SD, it is pretty much unheard of... Outside of some Mdrol, which just bolsters my skepticism for that clone.
 
B5150 said:
Let's guess who might be prone to estrogen rebound - fat post pubescent boys with man boobs?!?!? :outtahere:
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Especially if they're using an AI for PCT

"HEY guyz I'm abouts to take my cycle of Superdrol, wuz just wondering if i can do novedex XT for my PCT, if not then i'm going to ignore you and do it anyway cuz I wantz bigger boobs"

I'm sure a good portion of the gyno is just caused by placebo effect and paranoid kids touching themselves all the time when taking anything. But certainly estrogen rebound is going to happen to some extent when a nonaromatizing steroid like SD suppresses testosterone levels
 
Gynecomastia

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People (boys) are blaming SD for their gyno when in most, if not all cases they already had it and exacerbated it with their steroid of choice, which as mentioned, just happens to the the most popular, available, and abused OTC steroid; superdrol.
 
I really think Superdrol is the boogieman of the current OTC steroid line up. All over the internet people refer to it as a compound that is all sides and little benefits. The real problem, I think, is that as we've been discussing, many of the people taking it are not using it correctly.

As for gyno, I haven't seen any convincing evidence that Superdrol will cause gyno while on-cycle. As for gyno occurring post cycle, as already mentioned this only seems to happen when people implement poor PCT protocols.

Then there are sides like lethargy and dead libido. Well, what do you expect if you run an oral without also running at least a small dose of Testosterone? For some reason if anyone wants to run oral steroids from the "illegal" category (dianabol, anadrol, etc) without running a Testosterone base, everyone calls them an idiot. But, when somebody wants to run Superdrol, or any of the other PH/DS they get "Good cycle brah" and a slap on the back while nobody even mentions incorporating Testosterone. I know the reason many people run OTC steroids and don't consider Testosterone because their paranoid about the legal ramifications, but the point I'm trying to make is that Testosterone is just as beneficial to a PH/DS cycle as it is to any other cycle.

So yes, if you run Superdrol without Testosterone, I think it's fully logical to expect more sides than someone running D-bol or even A-bombs with a Testosterone base.

As for liver toxicity, this is an concern with any alkylated steroid, but as long as the user doesn't have any previous liver problems and is cautious there shouldn't be any real issues. Blood results I've seen from people who run moderate dosages for up to 4 weeks hardly seem worrisome.

Of course, I have yet to run a real cycle with Superdrol, so all this is based on the research I've done. Unreal knows a lot about this compound, though, so I'm sure he'll chime in if I'm spreading bullsh*t.
 
Looks pretty accurate. For me, SD without test doesn't lower my libido. I did a lot of PH's without test and actually none of them lowered my libido, except for "tren" (dienolone), and that one i actually stacked with test. So none of them lowered my libido but tren absolutely destroyed it. Interesting huh. People tend to respond differently, generally they say compounds like Hdrol and Phera have a positive effect on libido, and compounds like SD and Epi have a negative effect (it seems to me that they report an initial boost but by week 4+ it turns into a huge drop).

I think most of the sides occurring from SD are from people dosing it too high. Same deal as M1T. 10mg works great but people go to 20 and 30mg, make outrageous gains, but complain about the sides. Well BRAH, lower the goddamn dose...

The other deal I see is people taking a clone like Mdrol and getting completely different sides like intolerable BP, insane lethargy, appetite loss, water retention etc. etc. which leads me to believe that some clones are formulated wrong. I have seen not just one but SEVERAL instances where people have used SD and then used a different clone like Mdrol and gotten sides that were not only worse but altogether *different*
 
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