first time with test...

[shayjosh]

I need your help and advice guys.
im now on my first cycle with test and dont see any real progress.
the test is 100% legit, i buy it in the pharmacy- shering's testoviron 250.
my plan was weeks 1-10 500mg/w (+HCG/proviron/clomid etc...)
this is what i did so far:
weeks 1&2 - 500mg/w test
week 3 - *nothing* (my pharmacist was off)
week 4-7 - test 500mg/w + HCG 750iu/w + proviron 25mg/d .
starting week 8 tomorrow.
so far gaind 4lbs and strength is up very slightly!
my libido is way up. this is not test gains!
did two "cycles" before. oxandrolone only 15mg/d and d-bol only 15mg/d.
both 4 weeks with no pct. gaind real good on both strength & muscle!
gaind 10lbs from the 15mg d-bol and great strength gains, kept 8lbs
and all the strength.
training harder and eating better then both of my cycles and better then i ever did and sleep 9 hours a day.

i know that this cycle is supposed to kick the ass of that two bad cycles i did before so whats up?
(sorry for the length)

[Matthew D]

cycle length and the break in the middle would be a good starting point, then your age might have been the other.. at 21 you should have some of the highest test levels in your life...

[shayjosh]

thanks for the replay man.
actually got my test levels checked a few months ago
my test was at the low normal range (4.62ng/ml, normal - 3.0-10.0).
do you guys think that the test just didnt fully
kicked in yet? (maybe because of the week off)
any similar experience or suggestions somone?

[Jergo]

Most people say that test enan, cyp, and other long esters don't "kick-in" until week four or so, so that would be my guess of the culprit, as well as the skipped week off in the third week. Things are probably just getting going then.

Not familiar with scherings, what kind of test is it?

[size]

My immediate guess would be that you are not consuming enough calories.

[smike319]

You should really wait until you have everything on hand, including PCT before you start your cycle. Prevents unexpected things, like what happened to you from happening.

[shayjosh]

the test is Testoviron Depot by Schering germany 1ml/amp 250mg Enanthate.
i had everything on hand clomid,nolva,HCG and proviron but my pharmacist wanted me to buy only two amps a week so it wouldnt be suspicious.
my diet is OK, my daily consumption is +4000cals with lots of proteins ed
from dairys meats tuna and eggs.
i got about 6 amps left so im going to continue and see what happens.
if it will show good signs ill just bump the length of the cycle.
if not im going to try some tren (orderd some fina) and see how ill react
to it. if ill react to it like i did to d-boll and var then i guess
im some genetic freak with test resistance or somthing.
could it be that i need to bump the dose?
IMO 500mg/w is plenty to grow from but i dont have any experience with test.

[smike319]

the test is Testoviron Depot by Schering germany 1ml/amp 250mg Enanthate.
i had everything on hand clomid,nolva,HCG and proviron but my pharmacist wanted me to buy only two amps a week so it wouldnt be suspicious.
my diet is OK, my daily consumption is +4000cals with lots of proteins ed
from dairys meats tuna and eggs.
i got about 6 amps left so im going to continue and see what happens.
if it will show good signs ill just bump the length of the cycle.
if not im going to try some tren (orderd some fina) and see how ill react
to it. if ill react to it like i did to d-boll and var then i guess
im some genetic freak with test resistance or somthing.
could it be that i need to bump the dose?
IMO 500mg/w is plenty to grow from but i dont have any experience with test.

I see, I didn't realize that was your situation with the pharmacist. I guess you have to play by the rules of your source or not play at all.
Sounds like your cals are in check and seem to be getting them from the right kind of foods, although you might add n some flaxseed oil for some "good" fats.
Don't think the Tren will help you all that much with size though. From what I understand Tren helps attribute to good quality muscle but not a lot of it compared to Test.
FYI, I started my 1st AAS cycle about a week and half ago. It consists of:
Test Cyp = 600mg(spread out over 2 shots per week) weeks 1-12
Tren = 150mg EOD weeks 1-12
M1T = 5mg ED weeks 1-4
M5AA = 30mg weeks 8-12

Stats: 6'1", 200lbs, 33yrs old, approx. 12%BF
I will be starting a thread on my cycle fairly soon.
Oh yea, I wouldn't mess with your cycle mid-way through. Continue at your dosage and try not to dwell on your progress. With the Test in there it would be nearly impossible to get no results from it, unless your diet and training are not in order which they appear to be in your case.
Good Luck Bro!

[shayjosh]

thanks man!
i wanted to get some flaxseed for a long time it's just a little expensive here
but ill order some from the US soon.
i know that its impossible to get no results from the test, i feel my muscles are more pumped and i look slightly bigger. if i was on PH or somthing i would say that its pretty
good but my god it cant be weaker then var!! :-(
your right about the tren and i am going for a mass cycle here (my bf is already low)
i just think that it could add some good qualities if ill add it with d-bol
maybe leaner harder gains and vascularity along with a good mass.
what do you think about d-bol & tren cycle?
BTW i see your using m1t in you cycle, i also wanted to add it but i feard
from the lethargy and appetite suppression effecting my diet and training.
but cost wise its one of the greatest stuff out there IMO.

[smike319]

In regards to your question about a "Tren / Dbol" cycle, I probably would have stacked the Dbol w/ Test. I'm still learning a lot too so maybe one of the vets here or a mod could better help you on that question. On paper you would think a Tren/Dbol stack would give you some solid growth from the Dbol and good vascularity and lean gains from the Tren but what looks good on paper doesn't always turn out like you would think in real world experience.
As far as the M1T, you will notice that I am running it at a very low dose, especially for my size. I had the same concerns as you with the sides of M1T so I shot low on this one in order to make certain that I consumed enough food to grow while on cycle.

[omar castillo]

With the proper nutrition and execrcise routine, it should kick in in about 4 to 5 weeks if it really is Enanthate or Cypionate, be patient bro and don't forget to bump up your calories is very important !