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M1T / M-DROL Cycle + ?? (advise)

daveydoodle

daveydoodle

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I ran this cycle listed below earlier (2008) with great results (minimum sides, great recovery and gain retention) but would like to try something different in the last two weeks or so.

Previous Cycle; (4/08-5/08)
M1T - 20/30/40/40
M-Drol - 20/20/20/30
4AD - 0/0/600/800

Upcoming cycle;
M1T - 20/30/40/40
M-DROL - 20/20/20/30
* Low Dose options Epistane or WinZtrol for third item in last 2 weeks

I thinking of (1) either stacking a third item, (2) running a higher dose of just M1T and M-DROL for the 4 weeks, or (3) running a 6 week cycle of M1T and M-DROL at these dosages

Thoughts or ideas?
 
(4) Get some Test Prop, and run 100mg/day + SD. Save the M1t for later. Liver = much happier.

Seriously though, why aren't you pinning?

So you ran run 20-40mg/day of M1t + 20-30mg/day of M-Drol? That's a f*ckload of toxic orals right there. How did you feel during the cycle? I'd be interested to see your liver values if you got any.
 
daveydoodle said:
I ran this cycle listed below earlier (2008) with great results (minimum sides, great recovery and gain retention) but would like to try something different in the last two weeks or so.

Previous Cycle; (4/08-5/08)
M1T - 20/30/40/40
M-Drol - 20/20/20/30
4AD - 0/0/600/800

Upcoming cycle;
M1T - 20/30/40/40
M-DROL - 20/20/20/30
* Low Dose options Epistane or WinZtrol for third item in last 2 weeks

I thinking of (1) either stacking a third item, (2) running a higher dose of just M1T and M-DROL for the 4 weeks, or (3) running a 6 week cycle of M1T and M-DROL at these dosages

Thoughts or ideas?
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1) NO you do not need a third thing
2) NO you are already dosing WAY too high
3) NO the duration is already being pushed and along with the dose, the amount of toxicity is staggering

That cycle is one of the most liver toxic cycles i've seen, the power of the liver never ceases to amaze me, but I wouldn't run anything like that, even if i got bloodwork done every week, I wouldn't run it.

Your doses are stupid and excessive. M1T does not need to be run at 40mg, good results are attainable at the 10-20mg range. M1T and Superdrol themselves are so potent that they don't need to be stacked, if you stack them its just silly... If they each would give you 15 pounds in 4 weeks, well the stack won't give you 30, so why bother? In 4 weeks you can only put on like 8 pounds of actual MUSCLE so why go so overkill?

You'll put your body through hell for a lot of temporary gains.

I think this is all insane. I like pushing lots of methylated orals but this stack is just stupid, and you have given us 3 choices to make it more insane. You should not put your body through this much crap for a 4 week cycle...

Do some injectables... save your liver.
 
daveydoodle said:
I ran this cycle listed below earlier (2008) with great results (minimum sides, great recovery and gain retention) but would like to try something different in the last two weeks or so.

Previous Cycle; (4/08-5/08)
M1T - 20/30/40/40
M-Drol - 20/20/20/30
4AD - 0/0/600/800

Upcoming cycle;
M1T - 20/30/40/40
M-DROL - 20/20/20/30
* Low Dose options Epistane or WinZtrol for third item in last 2 weeks

I thinking of (1) either stacking a third item, (2) running a higher dose of just M1T and M-DROL for the 4 weeks, or (3) running a 6 week cycle of M1T and M-DROL at these dosages

Thoughts or ideas?
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:twak::spankme::spank::aargh:
 
you guys think he's crazy for running m1t @ 40mg.

i just think he has bunk m1t. must be something else. not possible.

id think the same thing, (and so would you) if someone posted they were running a-50 @ 400mg each day for 3 weeks.

or methyl trienelone @ 20mg for 3 weeks.

they would have to have bunk stuff. all of these compounds are too toxic, with too many serious sides to run at those high doses.
 
my word...i know you already had success with the first run, and I am not trying to undermine your experience as an AAS user, but i honestly think you should take it as a gift that you made it through that first run without any severely noticeable issues.

i am absolutely with the majority that you should throw an inj. in there, pick one oral, and spare the system...I've never run m1t, but i think the super would be a better choice IMO

i do know somebody who has run an m1t/superdrol stack, m1t:5mg and super 10mg for 3.5/4 weeks but he felt absolutely ghastly by week 3 and i honestly think that the additional oral had diminishing returns to just running one...he gained about 15lbs but i am convinced you can put on that mass with 1 of the 2 choices, especially considering its not a true 15lbs of muscle, at least 20% had to be glycogen stores/fat/waterweight

look into something like test e/mdrol kicker cycle
 
jbryand101b said:
you guys think he's crazy for running m1t @ 40mg.

i just think he has bunk m1t. must be something else. not possible.

id think the same thing, (and so would you) if someone posted they were running a-50 @ 200mg each day for 3 weeks.

or methyl trienelone @ 20mg for 3 weeks.

they would have to have bunk stuff. all of these compounds are too toxic, with too many serious sides to run at those high doses.
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actually abombs at 200 aren't that uncommon, it's like a double dose

I think M1T should be ~10mg so 40mg is like a quadruple dose
 
here try this cycle... u will get huge i promise:


Weeks 1-10

ephedrine
Aspirin
Clenbuterol
Valium
Captagon
Cytomel


Weeks 1-5

Test Enan 500mg daily
Parabolan 152mg daily
dianabol 150mg daily
halotestin 150mg daily
hgh 20IU daily
insulin 20IU daily


Weeks 6-8

Masteron 300mg daily
Parabolan 152mg daily
winstrol Tab 250mg daily
halotestin 150mg daily
winstrol Inj. 50mg daily
hgh 24IU daily

Weeks 9-10
Masteron 200mg daily
winstrol Inj 100mg daily
halotestin 200mg daily
winstrol Tab 400mg daily
hgh 24IU Daily
insulin
IGF-1
 
MOD's, lock this thread? This is just ridiculous and sad that a thread like this is on this forum. I miss the old days....
 
I could bearly leave my sofa running M1T at 15mg... running at 40mg the back pumps and lethargy would be brutal. Then combining it with mdrol.... my god- do you actually hate your liver?
 
The sarcasm was entertaining, but I do appreciate the thought provoking replies. I understand that this is a heavy cycle, and 17amethyl's comment about getting lucky the first time I ran this may have been correct. This will be my 10th cycle since 2004, and I've always run a little on the heavy side with dosages, just because that's how my body responds. I have pre/mid/post blood work from 8 of the previous 9 cycles (didn't get the first one), and I've always recovered fine. The first time I ran this wasn't completely without side effects; I just personally think they were offset by the gains. Lethargy, a few back pumps, and some minor gyno which was removed with a solid PCT. I'm not going to disregard all the feedback, but everyone does respond differently. My doctor is aware of my chemical endeavors, and has been very helpful with blood panels, Nolva, etc. If the overwhelming majority thinks this is unequivocally insane, maybe I'll ramp it down a little. However I did run his before, and rather successfully I thought. For chemistclear, my stats are 33 y/o, 6'4", 271 around 9% bf (+/- 1%). I'm not sure I want to run M1T as a standalone, maybe at 20/20/20/20 with 10 of M-DROL. Better? I have 1 1/2 bottles left of M1T that I've been hoarding, and 2 full bottles of M-DROL. To answer Libertarian's question, I imagine this will be the last oral run before the needle. I understand on paper they're now relatively equal, but in my head I could always justify the OTC Orals being "legal" ish versus injectables which were at the time cut and dry illegal. I know I was wrong but in my head I could justify it. Thanks for the comments; I appreciate the ones who were trying to actually be helpful.
 
I'm glad you got bloodwork done and were ok because that cycle would mess up most people.

I still think that even if you can tolerate the higher doses, that you may be able to see comparable gains with less shutdown and toxicity if you lower the doses.
 
I understand that this is a heavy cycle, and 17amethyl's comment about getting lucky the first time I ran this may have been correct.
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Then why risk it again?

Just start pinning now. If you are planning on doing it soon anyway, there is no reason not to. Sources are pretty easy to find if you know where to look and unless you're stupid about it, the chances of you getting busted for buying a little gear is very low. I don't know anyone who has had any problems with that. The authorities seem to focus on the big-time dealers. Going after guys who have a few vials in their house isn't worth the resources.

If you want to run a 'heavy' cycle, why not Test Prop + Tren Ace? It could be a short cycle like you're used to, you could safely run it 2-4 weeks longer, and the gains would be awesome. Usually I wouldn't recommend Tren to someone who has no injectable experience but the sides people typically experience from that stack are nothing compared to what is commonly reported with the stuff you're used to running. Also, if you happened to be someone who responds badly to Tren, the acetate ester means it will be out of your system very quickly if you wanted to discontinue. Most of all, your liver will not be in any danger.

I think once you start pinning and including Test in your stack you will slap yourself for not doing it so long ago. Especially after running 10 oral-only cycles.

I probably wouldn't stack M1T, but I bet Test Prop + SD would also make a nice combination. Not that I have any first-hand experience, but I would guess that many of the sides people report when running SD would be offset by the Test. I personally look forward to including it in a future cycle.
 
UnrealMachine said:
actually abombs at 200 aren't that uncommon, it's like a double dose

I think M1T should be ~10mg so 40mg is like a quadruple dose
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okay, I'd never go that high, but I see your point.

jbryand101b said:
you guys think he's crazy for running m1t @ 40mg.

i just think he has bunk m1t. must be something else. not possible.

id think the same thing, (and so would you) if someone posted they were running a-50 @ 400mg each day for 3 weeks.

or methyl trienelone @ 20mg for 3 weeks.

they would have to have bunk stuff. all of these compounds are too toxic, with too many serious sides to run at those high doses.
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and I still think his m1t is bunk. either is is just rice flower, and he's seeing all his gains from the sd. or his m1t is actually somethin like epi sold as m1t.
 
bLacKjAck. said:
MOD's, lock this thread? This is just ridiculous and sad that a thread like this is on this forum. I miss the old days....
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What are you talking about, I remember ridiculous threads just like this in the old days.Maybee now there's more of them but the stupidity is the same. IMO
 
Against previous experience but in accordance with the above advise, I'm going to try running M1T at 20/20/20/30 with a heavy dose of 4-AD. I may up the third week to 30 mg, but I'll wait and see at the end of week two. I figure if I don't see much in the way of results and experience little of the dreaded sides, I have another bottle I can run higher the next time. I don't think 20 mg is gonna cut it for me, but I'll try.

here's another thread that thought 40 mg wasn't BEYOND reasonable...

I can't post the link, but search "M1T for Dummies" by supersoldier

Thanks for the advise though AM members, I do appreciate it.
 
could his weight have anything to do with the need for higher dose? i mean the guys 270. doesnt it stand to reason that a higher dose would be necessary along with lighter sides?
 
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