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    2000 ml of test cyp to use...


    My question was what dose/length of cycle would you use this with? I know this isn't a whole lot of cyp to work with based on the dosages some people use and the length of some cycles.

    Was thinking of running 350 ml over 6 weeks (leaves 250ml for the last week), stacking with 20mg of pheraplex (p-plex) for the first 4 weeks as to jump-start the gains. The goal here is simple mass gain.

    This is my first 'real' cycle, other than doing some Epistane pulsing in the past.

    And for the record, I've got the pre-cycle (liver support) going now, Cycle Support along with Formex for on-cycle, plus the usual clomid starting 2wks after cycle with Post Cycle Support. I've got access to letro, but won't buy any up front as I really doubt it'll be needed with this cycle + running Formex. Also have about 10 years of training experience, and know how to train and eat...

    I *can* get more cyp, but it's not from a usual source, just a friend with an Rx who isn't planning to use it - but it's as clean and legit as it gets so its not cheap, hence the rationale not to go 400 ml over 10 weeks and wanting to just use the 1 vial.

    Opinions? Go lower dose x longer or higher dose x shorter?

    Cheers.

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    Wait.

    Get more Test Cyp, it wont even kick in until weeks 4-6 and the amount of money you'll put into this cycle will only lead to disapointment.

    and when you start you'll want 400-500mg doses split the shots up as well
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    Was figuring that would be the advice. Heard similar from others. Try to haggle the guy a bit for 2 of the vials...
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    You have to mean mg instead of ml
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    You have to mean mg instead of ml
    Yeah 2000mL is a huge difference from 2000mg. That would be 200 10mL vials.
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    Test Cyp is alot like Test E in terms of how fast acting it is and whatnot? So couldnt you just run 200mg a week for 10 weeks and kickstart it with phera for 4 or 5 weeks?
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    okk big question.. why is E prefered over C? why is C cheaper? they seem very close
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    C isnt cheaper. Thats the main reason people use E. Also C has more injection soreness. I was ready for a damn fun thread about how the hell one person is supposed to use 2000ml...
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    Ok, want my suggestion? if it was me, and hats all the test i had... at your size i'd run it as 100-150mg a day, with nolva taken the whole time. guessing this is a single vial of 200mg/ml, thats .75ml a day for 13.3 days or .5ml a day for 20. No AI, just the nolva to avoid gyno. Let the bloat from estrogen come. Continue to run the nolva for at least 3 weeks after the cycle is done.

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    ive known a couple guys to try these long esther burst cycles....they never seem to pan out. no uproar here though...on paper it looks great but something always seems to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Ok, want my suggestion? if it was me, and hats all the test i had... at your size i'd run it as 100-150mg a day, with nolva taken the whole time. guessing this is a single vial of 200mg/ml, thats .75ml a day for 13.3 days or .5ml a day for 20. No AI, just the nolva to avoid gyno. Let the bloat from estrogen come. Continue to run the nolva for at least 3 weeks after the cycle is done.

    I'll wait to hear the uproar before explaining it
    700mg a week for just under 3 weeks? doesnt it take liek 4 or 5 weeks to kick in?
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    with these burst cycles the idea is to pin a lot day after day and it elevates blood levels quicker. Ive never seen one run throughout...both guys ive seen do it got major sides and stopped, one with bp probs and one had "test flu" so bad he quit(*****!). ON paper it looks like a good idea but im not sure how it pans out in the real world. Mabye easy will quit f#cking with our heads and enlighten us....i may have to back out of the deal on my moped easy.
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    well, lets put it this way. Its half of the Author L Rea "Building the Perfect Beast:Chemical Enhancement" protocol. its based on doing 12 days of a relatively androgenic compound followed by 12 days of a relatively anabolic compound. So the primary example is 12 days of test followed by 12 of deca. By letting estrogen run high you increase insulin sensitivity, and doing it for such a short time you see relatively little suppression too. Using a SERM the entire time, even starting the SERM a few days early is pretty important. Remember that cyp's halflife is around 8 days give or take. So dosing it at 150 a day, by day 12 the 750mg from the first 5 days is STILL adding over 300mg to your system....

    Lets just say I know someone who did it 100%, using human grade gear for all of it. 12 days on test at 125 a day, 12 days on deca at 100 a day, nolva/clomid dosed at 10/50 from day -4 thru day 26, pramipexole dosed at 1mg/day. end of 24 days was up around 18-20lbs. by day 40 was down to "only" being up 12-14 lbs, but also lost some bodyfat too, so probably real gains were more like 14-16 lean pounds.

    The sides can be a bitch if you are prone to them, thats definitely true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    well, lets put it this way. Its half of the Author L Rea "Building the Perfect Beast:Chemical Enhancement" protocol. its based on doing 12 days of a relatively androgenic compound followed by 12 days of a relatively anabolic compound. So the primary example is 12 days of test followed by 12 of deca. By letting estrogen run high you increase insulin sensitivity, and doing it for such a short time you see relatively little suppression too. Using a SERM the entire time, even starting the SERM a few days early is pretty important. Remember that cyp's halflife is around 8 days give or take. So dosing it at 150 a day, by day 12 the 750mg from the first 5 days is STILL adding over 300mg to your system....

    Lets just say I know someone who did it 100%, using human grade gear for all of it. 12 days on test at 125 a day, 12 days on deca at 100 a day, nolva/clomid dosed at 10/50 from day -4 thru day 26, pramipexole dosed at 1mg/day. end of 24 days was up around 18-20lbs. by day 40 was down to "only" being up 12-14 lbs, but also lost some bodyfat too, so probably real gains were more like 14-16 lean pounds.

    The sides can be a bitch if you are prone to them, thats definitely true.
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    Ooops, must not have been paying attention with the whole 'ml' thing.

    easy - Thanks for the input with the short term cycle stuff, but Im too much of a pansy to dive right into something like that for my first go at this, seeing as how I don't know how my body responds to sides as of yet.
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    then get another vial, and do somewhere from 300-400 for 12 weeks. Its the best move, the 6 week plan is just enough to shut you down and cause sides, not really great gains
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    then get another vial, and do somewhere from 300-400 for 12 weeks. Its the best move, the 6 week plan is just enough to shut you down and cause sides, not really great gains
    I know that this is off topic but since we are talking about a cycle I just wanted to ask. What do you guys think of front loading the longer esters?(test e, test c, etc.)
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    really in the end, 4000mg of test = 4000mg of test and whether you dose more up front, or it just last longer for the same amount of test you end up with about the same gaiins. you can end up "kickstarting" by doing small doses a day for the first 2 weeks, or EOD or whatever to make it make sense with how much you are dosing and what the concentration is.
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    Everybody has a differing opinion on PCT-stuff, but since you're offering advice easy, I've got another one for you -

    How would you use the Formex in this? Run it towards the end of the cycle and into PCT? Or just start using it at the same tame as the Clomid?

    I like the idea of using it a bit on cycle as an insurance thing, keeping E to a reasonable level and such. I hear lots of good things about this stuff. Clomid/PCS/CS all have pretty agreed upon times/usages, but still no solid routine on how to use Formex since it's new-ish. You have any experience with the stuff?
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    I haven't used that specifically, but using it on cycle isn't a bad idea. At the level of test you'll be using it isn't really necessary, but it won't hurt. I'd probably dose it on the lower end, but I can't recall what dosing is like on those
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    really in the end, 4000mg of test = 4000mg of test and whether you dose more up front, or it just last longer for the same amount of test you end up with about the same gaiins. you can end up "kickstarting" by doing small doses a day for the first 2 weeks, or EOD or whatever to make it make sense with how much you are dosing and what the concentration is.

    Thanks, I was wondering about this and I figured that it could help this kid out as well on his cycle. I didn't really think it necessary if you have an oral kickstart but just thought I would ask. Thanks again Easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I haven't used that specifically, but using it on cycle isn't a bad idea. At the level of test you'll be using it isn't really necessary, but it won't hurt. I'd probably dose it on the lower end, but I can't recall what dosing is like on those
    The common usage PCT seems to go 50/50/25/25 with Formex, though it's been suggested to to go up on the AI (formex) as you taper down on the SERM as another train of thought...
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    yeah, there are about as many different feelings on PCT as there are bodybuilders. If you are using it for pct I'd start it in week 3, then follow that dosing. week 1 would start at least 10 days past last injection
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