RE:What is pulse cycling?

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RE:What is pulse cycling?

What is pulse cycling?
Dosing something to intentionally avoid long term sides, such as HTPA suppression and liver damage. With pulsing, the serious, long term side effects of chronic oral treatment are avoided and short term side effect, like acne and mineral retention, are milder that usual. This allows for higher dosages to be used. Basically, if you dosed on an ED basis you would get 100% effect, 100% short term sides and 100% long term sides. If you dose EOD on a pulse protocol, you still get about 60% effect, 75% short term sides but only about 40% of the long term sides. That's not a bad trade off and very economical on the body and the wallet too! Of course if you would have gained 10lbs this means you will only gain 6lbs pulsing, but it also means you can do this for 2 or 3 times longer than a normal cycle. That equals about 2 months of worry free dosing, so the net effect is a gain of about 12lbs instead of 10lbs over twice the time frame with less sides and a milder PCT requirement if even needed at all. It's a great long term strategy and good for newer users looking to run fast, clean, cycles for 1 month with no PCT needed later. That's how I perfected it. There are two basic approaches to do it: EOD or 2on/2off depending on your workout schedule. Doses can be high (30-40mg) but take them close together preferably before 6pm (1 dose pre and 1 dose post-w/o instead of spread out like normal) or doses can be lower (10-20mg) if you want to stretch it to 2 or 3 months instead of just 1. Dose at least 3 times per week but not more than 4.


is it safer then the other cycling methods ? anyone use it ?
 
well.... here are my thoughts. First off, the author of that paragraph says, "Doses can be high (30-40mg) but take them close together preferably before 6pm" but doesn't offer an example of what he is taking. Some PHs are normally dosed at 100+mg ED. To offer a dosage without knowing what cmpd he's talking about makes him sound ignorant IMO.

As for the concept of pulse cycling, I see the logic behind talking doses less frequently but in higher amounts for longer time periods. I mean the oral is essentially promoting protein synthesis and thus you are reaping the greatest benefit during workout days. Thus pulsing the oral on workout days makes sense.

However, drastic fluctuation in test levels has been attributed to an increased risk of side effects. Thus is might be safer to stay at one steady elevated test level then to yo-yo up and down. That being said, I think using orals on workout days in conjunction with a depot test (like a dbol pulse with a sustanon cycle) would be a fine idea.

Lastly, I don't think that there is sufficient evidence to suggest that pulse cycling is so sparing of the HPTA that no PCT or reduced PCT is acceptable. Maybe thats just me but I have found that a thorough, extensive PCT maximizes retention of gains and minimizes side effects. I wouldn't recommend anything but the most cautious of PCT plans whether pulse cycling or not.
 
CGK said:
Dr. D was talking about epistane specifically fyi
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Was that an excerpt of a longer article? I didn't get that from the OP. If that is the case then I retract my prior comment. Regardless, the excerpt is largely in favor of pulsing and makes, in my opinion, rather grandiloquent statements about the benefits without any citation. I'm sure Dr. D knows his stuff but I remain a natural born skeptic and until incontrovertible evidence arises I'll continue to run stringent PCTs regardless of my cycle doses or dosing schedule. Furthermore, it is my personal belief that pulsing without any hormonal base, such as is the case with a pulsing orals on workout days while taking a depot test, will yo-yo test levels too much. However, cycling has become an accepted method. I may be overly cautious.
 
if i were just taking epistane and i did want to to do pst.
NOVEDEX XT ,Drive and some milk thistle . or maybe just reversitol and milk thistle would cut it right?
 
nomoredex said:
if i were just taking epistane and i did want to to do pst.
NOVEDEX XT ,Drive and some milk thistle . or maybe just reversitol and milk thistle would cut it right?
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It's PCT not "PST."

What's the dose like? Are you pulsing? Many things to take into account.

Milk thistle is for liver support and should be taken on AND off cycle.

Hate to say it but do a little more research man. Keep reading and reading, then read some more.
 
CrazyChemist said:
Was that an excerpt of a longer article? I didn't get that from the OP. If that is the case then I retract my prior comment. Regardless, the excerpt is largely in favor of pulsing and makes, in my opinion, rather grandiloquent statements about the benefits without any citation. I'm sure Dr. D knows his stuff but I remain a natural born skeptic and until incontrovertible evidence arises I'll continue to run stringent PCTs regardless of my cycle doses or dosing schedule. Furthermore, it is my personal belief that pulsing without any hormonal base, such as is the case with a pulsing orals on workout days while taking a depot test, will yo-yo test levels too much. However, cycling has become an accepted method. I may be overly cautious.
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I agree with you. The science just isn't there, and I personally like to do this stuff safely.

That being said, people were getting '70's big without PCT regularly back in the day. I mean, say two weeks of pulsing epistane does sound fun even if it won't do much

It's silliness though, just get some damn Test and gogogog

For OP,

there are a ton of old epistane pulsing logs and a big thread Dr. D writes in, google it up son
 
of been told that should just do the milk thistle 2 weeks before and right after but not during cuz then something about it being less effective. no i dont think ill be doing the pulse thing. i think im doing the 20/30/30/40 thing
 
nomoredex said:
of been told that should just do the milk thistle 2 weeks before and right after but not during cuz then something about it being less effective. no i dont think ill be doing the pulse thing. i think im doing the 20/30/30/40 thing
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Not sure where you heard that. Some people take milk thistle year round. No need to cycle it. Reversitol stand-alone PCT for 20/30/30/40 cycle of epi..... why not use a SERM? Whats the aversion?
 
nomoredex said:
well arent serms prescription ?
i really dont want to be going to a doctor on my budget
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Do some research. Chemicals are available if u know where to look. Well google will work just fine actually lol.

:cheers: and good luck with ur cycle if u decide to do it.
 
i cant find it no where without a prescription. id have to go to tijuana and you dont always know what your getting in tijuana. it could be sugar pills or some other stuff you didnt ask for.
if i use the pulse method i should be okay
 
nomoredex said:
i cant find it no where without a prescription. id have to go to tijuana and you dont always know what your getting in tijuana. it could be sugar pills or some other stuff you didnt ask for.
if i use the pulse method i should be okay
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SERMs are available for purchase in the US as research chemicals. I can't say which ones but RESEARCH CHEMICALS are available for purchase, even tho they say not for human use its all the same stuff.
 
:D oh okay i got like a little turkey baster syringe type thing at home that measures one ml
is that any help or whats the dosage oral pill vs oral liquid because i see they come in both forms
 
nomoredex said:
:D oh okay i got like a little turkey baster syringe type thing at home that measures one ml
is that any help or whats the dosage oral pill vs oral liquid because i see they come in both forms
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dosage should be listed on bottle. Pill usually comes in 10 or 20 mg per pill and liquid is usually 20mg/mL so 0.5 mL per 10mg. PCT usually goes something like 30/20/10 or 30/20/20/10.
 
thank you . youve been so much help
its my first time with a steroid
the serm is just an emergency just in case thing for the pulse cycle ?
how do i know if its an emergency ?
 
You can hold the SERM in the event you start to see signs of gyno but my preference is to run the SERM either way. It isn't that pricey and you ensure you block any excess estrogen from affecting your body.
 
oh yeah i saw its actually cheaper then otc pct supplements
what are the chances of a government guy paying me a visit ?
 
nomoredex said:
oh yeah i saw its actually cheaper then otc pct supplements
what are the chances of a government guy paying me a visit ?
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Zero. You haven't done anything wrong. You are clearly conducting a research experiment and thus have every right to buy a research chemical. Its not a crime. It is sort of equivalent to buying everclear pure ethanol from home depot, which is not registered for human consumption, and then drinking it. I understand because its a website related thing that you are a little nervous but technically I don't see why someone couldn't open a "research chemical" store somewhere (perhaps next to a vitamin world or GNC) and sell this stuff on store shelves. You're fine.
 
hmm well as long i dont over a 90 day supply it should all be legal.
well alright plus i do have a cellular biology project do soon. i could do it on tamoxifens effect on cancer cells .
 
nomoredex said:
hmm well as long i dont over a 90 day supply it should all be legal.
well alright plus i do have a cellular biology project do soon. i could do it on tamoxifens effect on cancer cells .
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Haha. Great plan. Keep us posted on your cycle results and progress. :cheers:
 
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