Epistane, Sustinon, PCT reload HELP!!!

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Hey i currently have Epi, Sustinon, and PCT reload and do not know how i should stack or cycle them. I thought i had a pretty good grasp on how to do it but appear to be wrong if someone could help me out it would be much appreciated
 
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im assuming pct reload is an OTC pct

if you are stacking epi with sutinon (dunno waht sustinon is but i would assume its a PH/DS) i would go with a serm

then your pct could be:
SERM
Test Booster
Cortisol Control Product
 

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Yeah it is OTC. yeah sustinon is a test booster. So take Epi for 4 weeks, then the sust and and reload?
 
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i guess if u want to go the OTC route

epistane
30/30/30/30
PCT:
PCT Reload
(however it says to dose for 4 weeks)
Sustinon
0/0/x/x/x/x

might wanna throw in a cortisol control product too
 

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alrite thanks, whats a good cortisol product i can get sent out here to Iraq. I also have dbol but dont know if i should use it or when to. Im am pretty much lost
 
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then your pct could be:
SERM
Test Booster
Cortisol Control Product
Let's not forget a creatine product, a PreWO product, and maybe some kind of liver support (i like to run liver support on cycle and PCT)
 
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Who makes sustinon (don't post the source just the manufacturer). Cortisol product would be lean xtreme. And thedarkhalf makes a good point about liver support. You should also use other support supps as well, e.g. multivitamin, l-lysine, etc..
 

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i have liver support, a multivitamin, I have Size on also fish oil and glucosamine if needed. the sust is made by primo labs.
 
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alrite thanks, whats a good cortisol product i can get sent out here to Iraq. I also have dbol but dont know if i should use it or when to. Im am pretty much lost
Whatever you do dont take d bol for pct LOL

Check out Reduce XT for cortisol control

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/serious-nutrition-solutions/reduce-xt-90-caps.html

Let's not forget a creatine product, a PreWO product, and maybe some kind of liver support (i like to run liver support on cycle and PCT)
I would assume he was using creatine and PreW is personal choice.

yeah forgot about liver support, sometimes i just assume ppl know what they are doing :facepalm:
 

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thanks. So any wait period in between the epi and my pct? sorry for all the questions just trying to get educated on all of this and trying not to mess up my body too much..
 
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thanks. So any wait period in between the epi and my pct? sorry for all the questions just trying to get educated on all of this and trying not to mess up my body too much..
The minute you run out of epi you should start PCT the next day!
 

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So if i am just taking the epi do i want to stack a serm with it or wait until pct to take one?
 
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So if i am just taking the epi do i want to stack a serm with it or wait until pct to take one?
For this compound, keep it to PCT. Although for other compounds and other people some like to low-dose a SERM on cycle.
 

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Ok so i am thinking it will be easy to just get a recommended PCT. What all should i get? I will be just running the Epistane by itself for four weeks. Money is really an issue i make a enough.
 
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Get nolva
20/20/10/10
PCT
0/0/4/4/4/
Reduce XT
0/0/3/3/3/3

Can add some liver support in there, Liver Assist XT is a great product and cheap :cool:

=Win
 
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hmmm...search google or something, lol
 

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thats smart.. looked... novadex xt by gaspari
 
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hey i appreciate all the help. Luckily i have nothing but time over here.
 
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If you have the time read up on what everything does. Side effects, how things stack and when to take each product. I wouldnt put anything in my body that i didnt at least have a decent understanding of, steroids especially.
 
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You will get good gains on Epi if you workout hard and eat right. If this is your first cycle I would run 20/30/30/30.

You most likely won't start seeing big gains until late 2nd week on a Epi product. So if this is not your first cycle I would run 30/30/30/30/40 and if you don't have sides run a 6th week at 40.
 
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Is this what your bottle of Sustinon says it is?

17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
 
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Use a SERM.....Epi shut me down big time....and I even cut the cycle short. I had much more of a problem recovering from Epi than I did my Test sustanon 250 12 week cycle.
 
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Use a SERM.....Epi shut me down big time....and I even cut the cycle short. I had much more of a problem recovering from Epi than I did my Test sustanon 250 12 week cycle.
I have ran 6 weeks before and had little to no sides. Some mild acne and a couple of scattered back pumps fixed by drinking more water. Have also never used a SERM after... just OTC general stuff worked great for me.
 

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Is this what your bottle of Sustinon says it is?

17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one/QUOTE]

The bottle actually doesn't say anything neither does the website. Its made by Primo Labs. Did you pulse your epi stack or just run a full cycle? This is my first cycle i am running. I have Inhibitor-E, tbol, sust, PCT reload, lean xtreme for my pct or if i end up pulsing. Dont plan on using all of them just like to have more than what i need.
 
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The bottle actually doesn't say anything neither does the website. Its made by Primo Labs. Did you pulse your epi stack or just run a full cycle? This is my first cycle i am running. I have Inhibitor-E, tbol, sust, PCT reload, lean xtreme for my pct or if i end up pulsing. Dont plan on using all of them just like to have more than what i need.
I dont think thats more than what you need. I actually agree with triton, you really need a SERM. I suppose some may not shutdown hard on epi but it is so easy to get a SERM why wouldn't you?
 
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I run straight cycles... have not pulsed as of yet.
 

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Alright i am thinking thats what I am going to do. Then if thats the case I really have no use for the sust and the tbol together. I have not really heard of too many people taking the t-bol for there test booster. The sust is sub lingual so i figure thats better for my liver anyways.
 
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Is this product a Stim/Appitite supressant?? No reviews... Im interested tho.
It is not a stimulant, but it did suppress my appetite some (I noticed in the evening hours I didn't have cravings for junk food as much). It is a great product made by a very underrated company(SNS). I stacked it with SNS's Inhibit-e and I had great results on that stack, these products are cheap as hell also.
 
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I didn't have any shutdown on epi - that **** skyrocketed my libido. That being said I still used a serm
 
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I didn't have any shutdown on epi - that **** skyrocketed my libido. That being said I still used a serm
I also got a skyrocket... wife had a love/hate relationship with it. :djparty:

I do not use a SERM with epi... but that is just me. I have never had any sides on epi other than slight/random back pumps fixed with drinking more water. (I do keep Nolva on hand)
 
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I didn't have any shutdown on epi - that **** skyrocketed my libido. That being said I still used a serm
Did you get mid cycle bloodwork?
 
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Did you get mid cycle bloodwork?
Would have loved to, but at the time I didn't have any health insurance and just couldn't afford to pay for something like that out of pocket.
 

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Is this what your bottle of Sustinon says it is?

17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one/QUOTE]

The bottle actually doesn't say anything neither does the website. Its made by Primo Labs. Did you pulse your epi stack or just run a full cycle? This is my first cycle i am running. I have Inhibitor-E, tbol, sust, PCT reload, lean xtreme for my pct or if i end up pulsing. Dont plan on using all of them just like to have more than what i need.
I don't think i would take anything that did not list what is in it.
 
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Would have loved to, but at the time I didn't have any health insurance and just couldn't afford to pay for something like that out of pocket.
Yeah most people dont get mid cycle blood work. My point was just that you didnt know if you were shutdown or not. Sex drive has a mild relationship with test production, you cant base everything no how many boners you get a day lol
 
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i agree take a serm
 
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Yeah most people dont get mid cycle blood work. My point was just that you didnt know if you were shutdown or not. Sex drive has a mild relationship with test production, you cant base everything no how many boners you get a day lol
Haha right on. But I do think, to a degree, that you can "feel shutdown".

While on epi I just wanted to f*ck anything that walked - I swear it was like taking Viagra for 6 weeks!
 

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