super dee duper
- 10-10-2009, 04:28 PM
super dee duper
hey all ive got a few questions that can hopefully be answered!! first of all i am on mass tabs and lovin em! found out they were superdrol tho..ouch
here are my questions....its not that I havent already researched this, but I just trust the answers I get here the most.
1. If mass tabs are superdrol then why are people reporting lower sides than m-drol or super? mass tabs are now discontinued so i stocked up.
2.I want to buy beastdrol before it goes..but i am confused. Some say I should buy beast because it is more pure superdrol than m-drol and that m-drol is weaker. M-drol is cheaper so some say beast is a waste of money...???
does m-drol work as well as beast???...and also has m-drol recently been dicontinued. If m-drol isnt discontinued and i will still be able to get it then ill get the beast because its gonna be gone soon.
3. has anyone used katanadrol or dieselbolan? I know diesel has p-plex and one other roid in it. I read that phera-plex tends to give wet gains resulting in a poofy bloated look(which I actually kind of want).
4. Ive also read that trenlike products such as katanadrol,19 tren, diesel can cause a different kind of gyno(progestin,prolactin?) that nolva cant stop...what should one use as PCT for these??
I need to make these decisions asap so any light that can be shed on these four questons would be greatly appreciated......THANKS!!
- 10-10-2009, 04:48 PM
1. It may well be superdrol but that makes no sense why it would have less sides than any other SD clone unless its a purer powder they use, or may be mebolazine(dymethazine) which is in I-forces Dymethazine apparently, which has similar gains as SD but less sides.
2.Apparently m-drol is hit and miss. This could be down to people responding to the compound differently or different batches being purer than others. I-force's Methadrol is regarded as the best SD clone out there in many peoples eyes.
3.Pheraflex aromatizes into estrogen, estrogen causes water retention which gives the "bloated" look.
4.Serms eg Nolva and Clomid are sufficient but a Dopamine Agonist would be handy just incase you got prolactin issues.
- 10-10-2009, 05:44 PM
i appreciate the quick answer...if m-drol is hit or miss do you think I should stick with beastdrol because it is tested to be 99.99% pure.
as far as serms you think nolva will work ok for phera...and if not i should have a dopamine agonist. Im not quite sure what a dopamine agonist is....arimidex, letro? somethin like that? thanks!!
10-10-2009, 05:56 PM
10-10-2009, 06:04 PM
I have no knowledge of beastdrol and have heard no reviews on it but if you know people who have run it or if you have read reviews on it and they're all/most positive on it then it seems its pretty legit.
Yea nolva would be fine for a cycle of phera, the general protocol for PCT is run 20/20/10/10. Thats 20mg everyday for two weeks and then 10mg everyday for the last two weeks. A dopamine agonist supresses prolactin production in the pituitary gland, well thats the part that you would take it for but the chances of raised prolactin levels to where you needed to take one are quite unlikely, but its always very handy to have it on hand just incase the problem arises. Cabergoline is a pharma dopamine agonist but theres a few OTC/herbal ones out there, powerfull by usplabs? is one i think.
Ok it may not aromatise but it is a compound that makes you reatin water, for what reason i dont know, care to explain?
10-10-2009, 06:08 PM
it inhibits 11b-hydroxylase, this is the same pathway that causes water retention from superdrol and anadrol
10-10-2009, 06:15 PM
Superdrol shouldnt cause retention of water if its pure. Also isnt SD a DHT derivative so surely it doesnt convert via the enzyme 11b-hydroxylase as this is a process that happens to progesterones?
10-10-2009, 06:22 PM
it truly does...it is just an intra-cellular reaction and doesnt present itself as subcutaneous edema. You can put on 10lbs in 10 days with superdrol...its mostly water and glycogen. It's still bloat, just not the kind we usually consider to be "bloat".
10-10-2009, 06:34 PM
yes, superdrol is a dht derivative and has an rba of 0 at the progesterone receptor. Conversely, inhibition of 11b-hdroxylase is not something only found in progestational compounds. For instance...m1-t is another steroid with no pr affinity and still inhibits 11b-hydroxylase.
10-10-2009, 06:36 PM
so i shouldnt worry about a dopamine agonist for phera...just stick with the nolva..
I also have noticed that a lot of supplement sites have discontinued methadrol and m-drol(they still have some in stock but no longer producing it) does this mean that due to the latest crackdown on PH/DS they will no longer be available. will we be able to get these SD clones in the future or is it stock up now or forever hold your peace??!!
10-10-2009, 06:42 PM
Both CEL and I-force have ceased production and alot of webbased retailers have stopped selling them. They will be in circulation in classifieds for the next few years but if these PH/DS do get banned then possession will be the same as the already illegal AAS and then comes the question which theres better compounds out there to be run, but buying a few SD clones is worth it for the future imo.
The only compound i can think of off the top of my head that may produce unwanted prolactin sides is tren( 19nor/estra 4) compounds.
10-10-2009, 06:42 PM
10-10-2009, 06:51 PM
so nobody know if beastdrol is worth the extra $$...it seems to be but i just wish i knew for sure.....does anyone know how these two would compare:
superdrol......or superdrol/tren stack...
will the tren just add more vascularity and cuts....or will it take away from the size gains of the super because it is a cutter?
10-10-2009, 06:55 PM
tren ran from 60-90mgs and super from 10-20mgs would be a super dee duper stack
10-13-2009, 07:14 PM
ok so if you are saying phera doesnt aromatize then why would i need a dopamine/prolactin antagonist. My friend told me that nolva or liquidex would be fine for phera or super...and that prolactin issues only occur when using tren or tren-like products...so are you saying that phera is a tren-like product??
10-13-2009, 07:43 PM
10-13-2009, 08:45 PM
so if i were to stack super and phera what would you suggest as a good PCT combo...maybe 5mgs a day of nolva to combat the phera sides then just use more nolva for pct?
also I still dont really understand why mass tabs dont give people side effects like other sd clones...it doesnt make sense and its drivin me crazy....isnt there anyone out there who has done superdrol and mass tabs to compare??!!
10-14-2009, 05:03 AM
10-14-2009, 05:56 AM
Hey Mooch what about Primordial Performance PCT stack as they try to demonize Nolva and Clomid ?
10-14-2009, 08:20 AM
10-14-2009, 08:22 AM
10-15-2009, 01:35 AM
Im at the end of week three on mass tabs and im noticing a tiny bit of puffiness and sensitivity in my nipples...but only a tiny tiny bit and you cant see it at all....should i end my cycle early or should i keep it goin? if I keep goin should i add some nolva to the rest of the cycle.
ive been feelin so good on these that i want to extend my cycle to 5 weeks. the craziest gains have come towards the end of the third week and i just wanna keep goin what do you guys think?
10-15-2009, 06:13 AM
Add in nolva but if it doesnt clear it up after 3 or 4 days end the cycle early.
10-15-2009, 07:05 PM
10-16-2009, 08:05 PM
its only a very tiny bit of sensitivity and the puffiness is very slight. you can only feel the puffiness a little bit and you cant see it at all. i should add nolva during the rest of the cycle? what dose?...and also what about extending the cycle for a fifth week since im feelin so good on these. Does the fact that im noticing some minor puffiness after being on for 3 1/2 weeks mean im prone to gyno?? sorry for so many question!!! you guys are very very helpful
10-16-2009, 08:27 PM
I'm running a Phera-plex/Mega-TRN cycle right now. I can understand the logic behind running a low dose of Nolva while on cycle but I don't do this normally for the simple reason that it adds to the amount of stress placed on the liver. SERMs like Nolva and Clomid are liver toxic on their own albeit not as much as methylated compounds such as Phera and SD.
I regularly check to ensure there is no "leakage" from my nips that would indicate an issue with elevated prolactin levels. I've run this same cycle in the past and used PowerFULL from USPLabs post cycle to ensure prolactin didn't become an issue. Also, I think Vitex and P-5-P would also be beneficial in risk managing this potential side effect.
10-17-2009, 09:14 AM
10-17-2009, 09:14 AM
oh and one last thing, did you know that squeazing your nipples to check for leakage can actualy cause gyno?
10-17-2009, 05:57 PM
10-17-2009, 06:31 PM
10-18-2009, 11:18 AM
dude good advice and good point ...you def know ure s***.....so ill add in 5 mgs ed of nolva and i will be extending my cycle by 10 days unless yall think i shoudnt. my friend says that i react very well to superdrol so extending my cycle 10 days wont be a problem...gains have been almost stupidly good in the last week so i wanna keep goin for a lil longer
10-18-2009, 12:15 PM
10-18-2009, 12:17 PM
10-18-2009, 12:49 PM
i did gain quite a bit of weight right away but my gains in my arms have been outstanding in the past week...it just sux that right when im really feelin swole i have to cycle off....ifeel fine now but i dont want any delayed effects...just dont know what i should do?
10-19-2009, 07:52 PM
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