epi vs Pheraplex anabolic & androgenic ratios help

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    epi vs Pheraplex anabolic & androgenic ratios help


    Phera-flex (6.5:1) q ratio
    160% anabolic that of testosterone while being only 60% as androgenic

    Havoc/epistane (12:1)
    1100% as anabolic and 91% as androgenic as plain methyl-test.

    Desoxymethyltestosterone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    RPN Havoc / IBE Epistane for the newbies ! - Bodybuilding.com Forums

    Is info was taken from write ups on each compound. Is it true that epi is more androgenic than phera? As well as more anabolic?

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    anyone? i feel that epi was not very androgenic but really anabolic
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    IMO the anabolic/androgenic ratings should be ignored most of the time. There is not as much correlation between the #s and the actual effects of the steroid as you would think.
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    phera is stronger then epi for gaining strength
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    which is the best for getting cut w/ strength. i would say h-drol.

    i was thinking of h-drol 75mg with 10mg of phera. any opinions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty33 View Post
    which is the best for getting cut w/ strength. i would say h-drol.

    i was thinking of h-drol 75mg with 10mg of phera. any opinions?
    Cutting go epi and hdrol
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    how would that stack be set up and what dose?

    do you thnk 10mg of phera would do nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    IMO the anabolic/androgenic ratings should be ignored most of the time. There is not as much correlation between the #s and the actual effects of the steroid as you would think.
    agreed , never trust a a:a ratio
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    ok but then how androgenic is epi? not based on ratio

    and h-drol as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty33 View Post
    how would that stack be set up and what dose?

    do you thnk 10mg of phera would do nothing.

    You obviously have a lot to learn. You should do a lot more research. We will help but not plan it out for u step by step.
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    i dont think i would stack 2 mthyls like epi and h-drol. only h-drol with 10mg of phera would be my max stack. epi-tren would be sweet to but i cant take the libido loss again for 6 weeks.
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    Epi and Hdrol have fairly similar characteristics. I find that about 100mg hdrol seems to hit about the same as 30mg of epi. I see no need to stack them - just run your fav of the two at a higher dose.

    There is no synergy in that stack - you aren't balancing a wet with a dry or even adding a non-methyl in. What exactly would you expect to gain adding hdrol to epi -- more of the same? then why not just add more epi? That way you only have one variable to tweak and a consistent halflife to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UGHQTempus View Post
    Epi and Hdrol have fairly similar characteristics. I find that about 100mg hdrol seems to hit about the same as 30mg of epi. I see no need to stack them - just run your fav of the two at a higher dose.

    There is no synergy in that stack - you aren't balancing a wet with a dry or even adding a non-methyl in. What exactly would you expect to gain adding hdrol to epi -- more of the same? then why not just add more epi? That way you only have one variable to tweak and a consistent halflife to consider.
    While i do agree that it's good to look for dissimilar characteristics amongst the steroids you're stacking, i must also say that the wet and dry thing may be overrated. Some people retain water while on Epi so it isn't very dry for them. Myself, i didn't notice any anti-estrogenic effects. Anyway, I think the Epi/Hdrol stack would have some good stacking potential.
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    I really like the original h-50 from gaspari. scored tabbed version. So i think that is what i am going to run. The original had some dmt in it. Phera. So i was thinking off doing a 5 wk h-drol at 50/75/75/75/75 mg and adding in 10mg of phera thu it. Any thoughts


    my body reacts best to h-drol and clones. overall the ph/ds i have taken.
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