creatine on cycle? why not?

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  1. creatine on cycle? why not?


    so why dont people take creatine on cycle? I would think it would help? is it bad for you to take it on cycle?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by the GUNSHOW View Post
    so why dont people take creatine on cycle? I would think it would help? is it bad for you to take it on cycle?
    Not that I know of. Creatine is something entirely different from your cycle.
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  3. no buy on cycle I mean take it with your PH's/AAS

  4. I am taking it during my cycle and plan to take it off cycle as well.

  5. YOU CAN ADD CREATINE TO A BULKING CYCLE, TO ADD TO THE GAINS, JUST REALIZE, IT WILL MAKE UP RETAIN WATER AS WELL.

  6. water retention is diet dependant!!!!

    i use creatine year round... only time i dont use it is vacations and off days,

    and i NEVER go on vacation and i have 2-3 off days per week depending

  7. IM REFER A LIL MORE TOWARD WATER RETENTION WITH MONO

  8. I use it after cycle to help keep gains coming. Obviously on cycle its not necessary. Save it to have something after cycle for the added boost.

  9. People forget to think of running a cycle, like like racing a car, you dont push the nitrous at the starting line, you wait till you need it, then you add the **** that keeps ya going strong. otherwise if you go hard out of the gate your gonna fall out in PCT.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    People forget to think of running a cycle, like like racing a car, you dont push the nitrous at the starting line, you wait till you need it, then you add the **** that keeps ya going strong. otherwise if you go hard out of the gate your gonna fall out in PCT.
    That makes no sense what-so-ever. Creatine while on-cycle or during PCT will have the same effect, and because one takes while on-cycle has NOTHING to do with the effectiveness of the PCT.

  11. creatine puts water in your muscles. this can be refered to as glycogen stores. basically its muscle food. prohormones does the same thing. thats what makes your muscles so tight and plump on cycle. when you get off cycle some of the weight you drop is because the glyocgen stores go down in your muscle. this is why it is reccomended that ppl take creatine post cycle. because as you take glycogen out of your muscles from not having the ph in your system anymore. you can put that back in with the creatine since it does the same thing. creatine is useless oncycle because it puts water in your muscles just like prohormones do.

  12. Travis you explained it another way. I also use it mentally to know I am using a supplement that I knows that works for me.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by russy_russ View Post
    That makes no sense what-so-ever. Creatine while on-cycle or during PCT will have the same effect, and because one takes while on-cycle has NOTHING to do with the effectiveness of the PCT.
    it has everything to do with PCT, NO STRONG,HARD HITTING werkouts during PCT, how do you expect to keep your gains?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by the GUNSHOW View Post
    so why dont people take creatine on cycle? I would think it would help? is it bad for you to take it on cycle?
    As people have mentioned they use (or not) creatine on cycle for a variety of reasons. However, that's not to say that using creatine on cycle is bad for you, because it is not. IMO you should be using creatine perpetually if you are resistance (or anaerobically) training, no exceptions. However, this is really up to each individual to decide.

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  15. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    it has everything to do with PCT, NO STRONG,HARD HITTING werkouts during PCT, how do you expect to keep your gains?
    It really doesn't. Creatine Phosphate is used to transport and store a phosphate group to be used by the phosph(a)gen system (ATP-PC). The phosph(a)gen system is activated for the first few seconds of exercise (this is where creatine comes into play), then glycolysis begins to supply the needed ATP for muscular contraction. You keep your gains by bringing your hormonal levels back to their homeostatic ranges as fast as possible (testosterone, estrogen, cortisol, etc.).

  16. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    YOU CAN ADD CREATINE TO A BULKING CYCLE, TO ADD TO THE GAINS, JUST REALIZE, IT WILL MAKE UP RETAIN WATER AS WELL.
    CREATINE GETS A BAD RAP IN REGARDS TO WATER RETENTION. I DO NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM ON CREATINE. NOT ALL DO EITHER. BUT THEN AGAIN NOT EVERY TYPES IN CAPS

  17. yes , theses are the fundamentals of creatine in protien sysnthesis, as part of th urea cycle. But lets get even more simple than that, if you can't drag your ass to the gym and dont move said muscles, what happens. So if you saved the thing that are gonna give your tired body a leg up in PCT whats not to understand. The point is no, it does nothing for performance, but things like this and pre werkout drinks i save for PCT, when your reaching deep to keep gains coming. But with that said you do what werks for you and dont try what werks for others, that how this place keeps going

  18. havne't drawn a clear answer from this thread? Should I save my creatine for pct? Not that its real expensive, so I could just purchase more for pct and continue using it on cycle, but I'd rather not waste it if it was useless on cycle.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    yes , theses are the fundamentals of creatine in protien sysnthesis, as part of th urea cycle. But lets get even more simple than that, if you can't drag your ass to the gym and dont move said muscles, what happens. So if you saved the thing that are gonna give your tired body a leg up in PCT whats not to understand. The point is no, it does nothing for performance, but things like this and pre werkout drinks i save for PCT, when your reaching deep to keep gains coming. But with that said you do what werks for you and dont try what werks for others, that how this place keeps going
    I'll say it one last time. All creatine supplementation does it increase creatine phosphate stores slightly to allow for a few more seconds of rapid ATP production from phosphate groups stored within a muscle fiber. If one were to take creatine supplementation during cycle AND during PCT the same effect would occur as opposed to one whom takes creatine supplementation only during PCT. Taking creatine during one's cycle does not diminish its function during PCT. If you are having trouble 'dragging your ass' to the gym, then you have a serious lack of motivation, and creatine has no correlation to that-perhaps a placebo, but no physical correlation.

    BTW: creatine phosphate plays no direct role in protein synthesis.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by illgixxer View Post
    havne't drawn a clear answer from this thread? Should I save my creatine for pct? Not that its real expensive, so I could just purchase more for pct and continue using it on cycle, but I'd rather not waste it if it was useless on cycle.
    Use it during both.

  21. double post

  22. It's science.

  23. yeah, but i just dont care

  24. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    People forget to think of running a cycle, like like racing a car, you dont push the nitrous at the starting line, you wait till you need it, then you add the **** that keeps ya going strong. otherwise if you go hard out of the gate your gonna fall out in PCT.
    actually you do push the nitrous at the beginning of a race to get the rpms up and the car in motion as fast as possible. Lighting it off with the engine at full rpm "like the movies" would only waste fuel and possibly damage engine components. I just added a bottle to my lotus exige and took a training course with skipp barber at lime rock CT, to learn that. I thought the other way aroung before the course.

  25. dont care

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Big billy View Post
    actually you do push the nitrous at the beginning of a race to get the rpms up and the car in motion as fast as possible. Lighting it off with the engine at full rpm "like the movies" would only waste fuel and possibly damage engine components. I just added a bottle to my lotus exige and took a training course with skipp barber at lime rock CT, to learn that. I thought the other way aroung before the course.
    dont care its creatine, he cant hut himself with it. IMA OFF TO DA GYM

  27. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    dont care its creatine, he cant hut himself with it. IMA OFF TO DA GYM
    Hurt myself? I'm almost finished with my master's in exercise physiology and about to start a ph.d. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing.

  28. Russ, were you the one that started the thread?, then obviously my concern wuz not implied for you.


    AND thats why i said i dont care, im not here to argue the pointless.

  29. unsubbed , i don't care

  30. Wow what a crappy thread, instead of arguing you just keep repeating "I don't care."

    Good attitude

    I don't care about this thread either, it's retarded
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  31. lol, its a new stadegy, for these pointless threads, the thread starter isnt even intertested or, gonna hurt himself. F ucking creatine on or off cycle will do just about the same thing, the point i wuz trying to make got overlooked by sumone that wanted to argue a stoopid point, thats all, you see the rest of my posts.

  32. IM just here for the learning UNREAL, and theres not much to learn or gain here. Now following one of your logs of a few of the others, and trying to actually educate myseld, in the things that im interested in, and to helpout along the way.

  33. Perhaps if you weren't so quick to discontinue the conversation you could use myself, as well as others on this forum as a resource to learn much information from if that is why you are browsing this forum.

  34. Quote Originally Posted by russy_russ View Post
    It really doesn't. Creatine Phosphate is used to transport and store a phosphate group to be used by the phosph(a)gen system (ATP-PC). The phosph(a)gen system is activated for the first few seconds of exercise (this is where creatine comes into play), then glycolysis begins to supply the needed ATP for muscular contraction. You keep your gains by bringing your hormonal levels back to their homeostatic ranges as fast as possible (testosterone, estrogen, cortisol, etc.).
    this is just for creatine phosphate. which i only know of EAS making. but more companies could make it that i am unaware of. creatine monohydrate, kre-alklyn creatine ect dont work with the phosphate system. but it does help with ATP replenishment. but youre only talking about creatine phosphate.

  35. Quote Originally Posted by TravisG View Post
    this is just for creatine phosphate. which i only know of EAS making. but more companies could make it that i am unaware of. creatine monohydrate, kre-alklyn creatine ect dont work with the phosphate system. but it does help with ATP replenishment. but youre only talking about creatine phosphate.
    The difference between creatines are the modes of delivery and the attachment of an ester for elongated half-life. In the end, they all function through the same mechanism. Trust me. Some companies do add additives to their creatines such ad neovar for additional effects.

  36. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    IM just here for the learning UNREAL, and theres not much to learn or gain here. Now following one of your logs of a few of the others, and trying to actually educate myseld, in the things that im interested in, and to helpout along the way.
    34 years old and still acting like a teen.....but you know what...? "I don't care" ....i'm going back to the gym, me and my DRSE a$$

  37. Quote Originally Posted by russy_russ View Post
    Perhaps if you weren't so quick to discontinue the conversation you could use myself, as well as others on this forum as a resource to learn much information from if that is why you are browsing this forum.
    um Russ hate to burst your bubble, but you have been reading the back of way too many EAS products, and again this is a lame pointless thread, the thread starter doesn't even care anymore.

  38. i understand you want to stick to your guns on the creatine thing, but its dead im not gonna go through medical journals from 1970 to prove a point. creatine on or off doenst matter
  

  
 

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