Anyone ever try the ultra mass stack from APS not sure if i post this before or not.

17a-methyl-etioallochalan-2-ene-17b-ol 10mg
19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione 40mg

APS Ultra mass stack combines 40mg xtreme tren/10mg pheraplex per cap

I guess it's the same as alpha tren but the dose of tren in it is 30 i think
you get into looking at componds these two are pretty much close to Dbol and deca