I need help choosing a ph..

[slacker86]

Wouldnt i notice muscle loss/weight loss (only due to pure muscle loss)
over a 2 year period if cortisol was biting me in the ass?

you are losing all the muscle u gained in the first hour of your workout by prolonging the workout longer than an hour. essentially you are not allowing yourself to grow at all.

[jherman08]

lol thats where the hard part comes in Just push yourself if you are having trouble getting your eating up there at first start supoping with 2-3 weight gainer shakes a day, this will help you start getting accustomed to more calories.

I understand what you mean and im sure you get where
im going with this. Eating clean isnt cheap, eating 5000+ cals clean
is downright expensive. If i cant gain weight off of mcdonalds etc..
6000 calories, making them clean doesnt make me think it will have
a difference. Calories are calories in the end arent they? Im not talking
lean mass weight gain, im talking any weight gain at all.

[jherman08]

Oh and 6 sets on one bicep exercise for reps of 10??? thats just insane.

I try for 4-6 sets of each exercise regardless of bodypart.
how many sets are you doing of each bicep exercise?

[jherman08]

you are losing all the muscle u gained in the first hour of your workout by prolonging the workout longer than an hour. essentially you are not allowing yourself to grow at all.

So technically you are saying that cortisol is taking all my gains away
but has a kind enough heart to stop at just current gains and not
go into my past gains?

[slacker86]

I understand what you mean and im sure you get where
im going with this. Eating clean isnt cheap, eating 5000+ cals clean
is downright expensive. If i cant gain weight off of mcdonalds etc..
6000 calories, making them clean doesnt make me think it will have
a difference. Calories are calories in the end arent they? Im not talking
lean mass weight gain, im talking any weight gain at all.

Heres the problems with it.

1) eating clean isnt cheap at all and it is expensive HOWEVER opposed to the expenses of cycling a real bulking product like m-drol superdrol PPlex or whatever else you wanna cycle to gain weight its going to be more expensive especially when you include supps for during the cycle and PCT especially and you cant eat dirty on it or you could have serious health consequences.

2) clean calories are done because they are the building blocks of muscle and generall organ functions in the body. Mcdonalds will give u tons of sodium and fat, and since you are active all your going to do is **** out the fat and sweat out the added water you are retaining from the sodium. Calories are never just calories, thats why runners look for high carb sources to replenish glycogen to their muscles and bodybuilders get protein to build muscle. Fat in an active person will probably mean u will just **** a lot more. So to answer your question yes it does matter where those calories are coming from.

[slacker86]

I try for 4-6 sets of each exercise regardless of bodypart.
how many sets are you doing of each bicep exercise?

for biceps usually only 3 sets max.

[slacker86]

So technically you are saying that cortisol is taking all my gains away
but has a kind enough heart to stop at just current gains and not
go into my past gains?

yeah pretty much its just letting u stay where u are with no hope of going past that point.

[jherman08]

Ok im gonna be completely hypothetical here

Lets focus specifically on Pure Fat weight gain, thats the easiest right?

If i take in 50,000 calories from mcdonalds and gain nothing.
Taking in 50,000 calories from chicken is suppose to help me gain Fat (non muscle related weight gain whatsoever) better?

[UnrealMachine]

I take in about 2500-3000 calories a day from fastfoods/restaurants (get take out with my grandmother daily often twice in a day)

Add in breakfast at my house, drive 30 mins to my gfs house
have a portion of what shes having for breakfast.

Eat whatever i want/can find in her house
Go to my house and eat whatever i want/can find

Eat dinner at my house
drive her home and eat dinner at her house.

Cant get more specific than that. Nothing is specific food wise
just write the caloric intake of each down.

no offense but that's not a very serious mealplan. Do diet serious before you do "supplements" serious.

Also i really doubt you're consistently getting to 6,000 calories with that type of eating. Maybe sometimes but day after day for weeks... hard to believe.

I already know what youre going to say about my training but heres goes.

Chest/tris - 3 good hours
Back/bis/forearms - 2 good hours
Legs/calves - 3 hours
shoulders/traps - 2 hours

Im guessing someones gonna say to cut my training time down
or more specifically what do you do for 3 hours..
Talking with others is a big no. Have social anxiety around others
unless its a buddy.

You need to cut training time way way down. I think 90 minutes is an absolute maximum, most of my workouts are really about 50 minutes

[jherman08]

yeah pretty much its just letting u stay where u are with no hope of going past that point.

I have a hard time believing day after day of out
of control cortisol wouldnt eat into my past muscle gains as well.

[Tomahawk88]

I have a hard time believing day after day of out
of control cortisol wouldnt eat into my past muscle gains as well.

Well working out 3 hours straight is doing wonders for u isnt it?

[slacker86]

Ok im gonna be completely hypothetical here

Lets focus specifically on Pure Fat weight gain, thats the easiest right?

If i take in 50,000 calories from mcdonalds and gain nothing.
Taking in 50,000 calories from chicken is suppose to help me gain Fat (non muscle related weight gain whatsoever) better?

ok your hypothetical is very flawed but let me try this out and see if i can get u an answer to help you out.

50,000 cals from chicken will give u MORE muscle mass, and drop the body fat % u have already. So essentially you will gain muscle and lose fat (thats why u clean your diet up and direct ur diet towards your goals).

this is beccause you protein intake is so much higher with chicken because its all your eating as opposed to mcdonalds and the more protein u have the more ur muscles can build off of them.

Really if u just change the 50,000 calories to 5,000 as u previously stated as you where taking in before. Its the exact same principle. Diet really is that important

[slacker86]

I have a hard time believing day after day of out
of control cortisol wouldnt eat into my past muscle gains as well.

nothing in your body is ever out of control. You cortisol is released in appropriate amounts to counter act the overly intense regiment you are doing. The longer you workout the more is released, once u stop the cortisol levels off. Basicly ur creating your own problem by working out too much, And if u dont beleive it thats fine im jsut telling u what i have read and what i have expereinced.

[jherman08]

no offense but that's not a very serious mealplan. Do diet serious before you do "supplements" serious.

I agree its not serious for the one and only reason which is
i know its extremely hard for me to gain weight these past 2 years.

If i was trying to make lean gains i would get down to a T with it
but just trying to gain pure fat off of clean food with a mix of pure
junk food and failing leads me to believe eating simply clean isnt gonna cut it.

This is how i see eat

Eat good+bad=no gain
Eat only good=obviously no gain

If i cant gain fat on everything the rest of the united states is gaining on
lean protein packed meals isnt going to help alone.

[jherman08]

I do take all of your responses seriously and i do appreciate them all

But listen to this please.....

If i take in 10,000 clean and bad calories and gain NOTHING, NO MUSCLE, NO FAT
How is half the calories at 5000 clean going to make me gain?

Remember there is protein in bad food too, im not eating pure calories with
no nutritional value

[slacker86]

I agree its not serious for the one and only reason which is
i know its extremely hard for me to gain weight these past 2 years.

If i was trying to make lean gains i would get down to a T with it
but just trying to gain pure fat off of clean food with a mix of pure
junk food and failing leads me to believe eating simply clean isnt gonna cut it.

This is how i see eat

Eat good+bad=no gain
Eat only good=obviously no gain

If i cant gain fat on everything the rest of the united states is gaining on
lean protein packed meals isnt going to help alone.

Ok listen everyone here is trying to help you i dont know why you are putting up a fight. Why dont u just try what everyone is suggesting??? I mean u have nothing to lose its not like u where making gains anyways... Clean up your diet with a focus of attianing between 300-500grams of protein a day and re work your routine to cut out before an hour. And look into DC. I mean if u really arent able to gain u have nothing to lose by trying what everyone here is suggesting to you. Dont even focus on calories focus on grams of protein.

[Tomahawk88]

Bad junk worthless crap food isn't going to help u gain as well as a clean diet.

I say its because of his training he isn't gaining.

[slacker86]

I do take all of your responses seriously and i do appreciate them all

But listen to this please.....

If i take in 10,000 clean and bad calories and gain NOTHING, NO MUSCLE, NO FAT
How is half the calories at 5000 clean going to make me gain?

Remember there is protein in bad food too, im not eating pure calories with
no nutritional value

No one is suggesting you cut calories we are just suggesting you clean up your diet. keep the 10,000 or 5,000 or whatever it is just make it all actually GOOD clean food. You will be able to get more protein more good carbs and more healthy fats. If ur eating 5,000 calores from mcdonalds now just change where and how u are getting your calories dont change the number of how many u are taking in

[slacker86]

i think a combo of cutting the time down and eating healthier will do wonders for u.

[jherman08]

Im not putting up a fight lol im just trying to understand

What if i run Hdrol with proper support supps
and 110% proper pct including clomiphene citrate
and gain 8 lbs and keep 6 that never go away?

Does that prove ive reached my natty potential?